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Author Topic: Recreational Reg Change on the table. VA  (Read 5349 times)
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« on: March 24, 2004, 06:15:20 PM »

I tried at the VMRC Blue Crab Advisory Committee to get them to recommend that the rule making it illegal to work recreationally licensed (that's the 5 pot deal not the two pot deal) crab pots on Sunday be done away with.  Currently it is illegal to do so.

The BCAC, of which I am the only recreational member.  Voted it down XX-1.  The reason that they gave was that these were the same folks that were stealing the crabs from their pots on a regular basis.  

To me that is pretty bogus.  If someone is going to steal crabs they will also work their pots on Sunday when they are not supposed to.

Anyway, I asked that it be put in the public hearing document for next months Commissoin meeting yesterday afternoon when they were considering some other matters.  My reasoning was that it was a recreational activity and that most people work during the week and do recreational activites on the weekend.  They voted to include in in next months public hearing.  

Now what can you do if you support or do not support this measure.

Send an email to Jack Travelstead at:

Jtravelste@mrc.state.va.us

Tell him what you think.  Make it simple.  Make it polite.  Include your name and address.  MD resident's input is also accepted.

Tom

PS That is the only recreational change that came up.  There were some other commercial changes but I do not have a list.
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2004, 07:01:20 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2004, 10:08:02 PM »

Well at least three of the 40 reads on this topic sent emails to Jack.  

I was talking to him today concerning another matter today and he mentioned that he had already received them.  This is the only place that I think that this information made it anywhere near public.  

Good for you folks.

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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2004, 08:43:35 AM »

thank you, we try

but only three come on guys send that email
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2004, 09:21:11 PM »

I just copied this from the VMRC web page. The Commission meeting is scheduled for April 27th.  My comments are in brackets.

I. Regulation 4 VAC 20-750-10 et seq., "Pertaining to Crab Dredge License Sales"

The Commission proposes to establish provisions for a lottery among qualified registered commercial fishermen to increase the number of vessels in the crab dredge fishery to 225. All persons eligible for the 2003/2004 crab dredge fishery and those added by the lottery would continue to be eligible to participate in the fishery in future years, unless they failed to register as a commercial fisherman or transferred their crab dredge license to another person.

The Commission also proposes:

1) to eliminate the special crab dredge permit
2) to remove the requirement that a fisherman purchase a crab dredge license and actively engage in the crab dredge fishery to maintain his eligibility to participate in the fishery in the following season,
3) to allow for the transfer of crab dredge licenses to any registered commercial fisherman,
4) to eliminate the exception process and review committee.

These amendments are proposed to reduce the regulatory burden in the crab dredge fishery which has achieved its goal, established in 1994, of lowering the number of vessels in the fishery to 225.

{Years ago the fishery was closed until the number of participants was below 225. Now it is at about 200. This would allow them to allow new entrants.}

II. Regulation 4 VAC 20-1040-10 et seq., "Pertaining to Crabbing Licenses"

The Commission proposes to extend the moratorium on the sale of new crabbing licenses (crab pot, peeler pot, scrape, trap, ordinary trot line, patent trot line, dip net) until May 26, 2007. Those fishermen eligible for any crabbing license in 2004 will continue to be eligible for that specific crab license through 2007, unless the fisherman fails to register as a commercial fisherman or transfers that license to another person.

III. Regulation 4 VAC 20-270-10 et seq., "Pertaining to Crabbing"

The Commission proposes to amend the regulation to allow peeler pot fishermen to harvest up to one bushel of hard crabs from peeler pots on Sunday. These crabs may be used only to bait the peeler pot and may not be sold. The Commission also proposes to extend the 8-hour work day in April and May to 9 hours and to reduce the length of the crabbing season by closing the fishery during a portion of November, to compensate for the longer work day in April and May.

IV. Regulation 4 VAC 20-370-10 et seq., "Pertaining to the Culling of Crabs"

The Commission proposes to repeal the ban on possession of dark colored sponge crabs and the requirement to return these crabs immediately to the water alive. The Commission proposes to substitute a ban on the possession of all sponge crabs, regardless of color or stage of development, during a portion of the summer spawning season (July-August).

{My concern is that there have been defacto closed areas during the summer months due to the large number of dark sponge crabs. Previous discussions indicated that these areas are extensive and include waters off of Virginia Beach south of Cape Henry and areas off east of Fort Monroe north towards Grandview. This concern was also stated by a the VIMS guy and provided to the Commission a few weeks ago}

V. Regulation 4 VAC 20-670-10 et seq., "Pertaining to Recreational Gear Licenses"

The Commission proposes to repeal the provision which prohibits any person licensed to use five crab pots for recreational crabbing, from fishing these crab pots on Sunday.

Send your comments to Jack Travelstead at:

Jtravelste@mrc.state.va.us

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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2004, 07:21:53 PM »

we should be able to crab on sundays, what would it hurt. we only have 5 pots. they have  100 to 300 and can fish the potomac and md. on sunday.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2004, 07:38:06 PM »

Maybe we should.  But you can not.   Recreational crabbing with a 5 pot license on Sunday is still closed.  

The dredge fishery was opened up and had some minor rule changes that allowed them to keep their license even if they did not work it the year before (a good thing, makes it so they do not have to rig up just to keep their permit)

Peeler pot fishermen can keep jimmy crabs caught in peeler pot on Sunday but only for use as "bait" in their peeler pots.

They will allow people to keep their commercial crab permits without having to buy a license each year.  (The money went to the marine products board which is a commercial seafood marketing orginization anyway.)

No changes were made on the dark sponge crabs this year, but I would expect that it will happen after the summer season once they define some closed areas, and study the mortality issue for sponge crabs and eggs.

Did I get them all?

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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2004, 09:44:54 PM »

I still don't quite understand the "No Sunday" rule.

Isn't a crabpot still catching crabs on Sunday regardless of whether it was checked? The pot will simply have twice as many crabs in it when it's checked on Monday, right?  Huh

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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2004, 07:15:09 AM »

Actually, the number used in management is that a pot is 50% less effective on the second day.  Additionally, you have to add in the crab-pot-days for those who would NOT set there pots out on a Saturday and pull them up on Sunday because it is illegal.

My opinion is that those two numbers state wide are probably less than the crab-pot-days for 2 or 3 more commercial rigs of 300 pots worked 6 days a week.  But that is just what I think.

Anyway there were lots of reasons given of why they should not allow it, mostly having to do with recreational crabbers stealing from commercial pots, which the enforcment guys felt was not as prevelant as depicted.  The only one that I considered anywhere near valid was that the new stock assessment is coming out this fall and no one knows if there will be more reductions required next year.

Maybe it can be pushed through when the fishery recovers some.

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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2004, 09:08:57 AM »

I used to live in Virginia. Regulations like this is one of the reasons I moved to Florida!

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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2004, 06:31:07 PM »

There is nougthing to understand because its a stupid rule.  The folks that set 5 pots with a rec license normally would be the last folks to mess with a commer. crabbers pots.  If a run of pots is disturb by a rec 5 potter its only going to be in the area that he had his pots set.  And he would never be able to set there again because his pots would be gone.
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