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« on: March 14, 2008, 12:13:37 PM »

License in limbo
Sales of saltwater fishing licenses, created for conservation, have been disappointing
Javier Serna, Staff Writer
Despite high expectations, the state's new saltwater fishing license is not selling as well as state officials had hoped when they mandated the program in 2005.
In the first six months of sales, the state pulled in only about a third of what it estimated it would get from licenses during that period. From July 2007 through December 2007, the state made $2.1 million -- far short of the rate it would need to match the estimate of $19.2 million in sales for June 2007 through July 2008.

In the first 12 months, 468,692 licenses were sold.

The state legislature created the license to fund recreational saltwater fishing projects and develop a database of anglers.

But sales have been hurt by a number of factors, officials say. Many fishermen did not know about the licenses, law enforcement officials said from the start they'd write only warning tickets to those without licenses and many fishermen already were covered under blanket licenses at piers and on charter boats.

Jim Ross had no qualms about shelling out $15 for a year of fishing.

But his recent out-of-state guests were only willing to buy 10-day licenses that run $10 and stopped short of buying licenses for their wives.

"They thought it was too much," said Ross, who lives on Emerald Isle.

The funds from the licenses were not earmarked for any specific use, so the poor sales aren't putting the state in a hole. The license is a new source of revenue -- no license was previously needed for recreational fishing on North Carolina's coast. The money from sales goes into coastal recreational fishing projects and not the state's general fund.

State officials downplayed the shortage, but a vocal opponent of the license chided the state for the miscalculation and charged that the money isn't spent on conservation efforts, as he believes was promised.

"It was sold as one thing, and I think, a year later, the license is not at all what it was supposed to be," said Sean McKeon, president of the state commercial fishing lobby known as the N.C. Fisheries Association, which led opposition to the licenses.

A state-issued news release from November 2006 boasted, "In 2005, North Carolina had over 2 million recreational anglers fishing from coastal waters." There seemed to be plenty of people who would buy a fishing license.

But the state derived its estimate using a survey that was used to count caught fish -- not fishermen, said Don Hesselman, commercial statistics coordinator for the N.C. Division of Marine Fisheries.

"It was never designed to count fishermen," he said.

Hesselman noted that the number of out-of-state licenses sold -- 154,519 -- fell way short of the roughly 1 million estimated.

"Nobody really knew how many would be sold," said license proponent Mac Currin, chairman of the N.C. Marine Fisheries Commission. "I was thinking two years ago [when the license was debated], maybe a million licenses."

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Bill Mandulak, president of the Coastal Conservation Association of North Carolina, a nonprofit group, said he is happy with the way the new license is working.

"Sure, we probably didn't have the sales of licenses that we thought we might have," he said. "But 2008 should be substantially greater."

Currin and Mandulak each said one reason the sales were down was because many people -- especially tourists -- didn't even know they needed one.

McKeon discounted that notion.

"So 1.5 million people said, 'I'm not going to buy a license?' " McKeon said. "The guy at the tackle shop didn't tell them?"

Currin said commercial fishermen opposed the license because they feared recreational anglers would gain influence with policy-makers if their numbers were monitored.

"They feared the political power that size a group might have in the management process," Currin said.

Under that scenario, fisheries managers might allow recreational anglers to keep more fish at the expense of the commercial harvest.

"It's used to promote anti-commercial legislation like net bans," said McKeon, who added this was a main reason the commercial industry opposed the program.

McKeon cited recent comments from the Coastal Conservation Association to the South Atlantic Fishery Management Council, which advises the National Marine Fisheries Service, the federal agency responsible for managing marine resources. The CCA wrote "allocation should be changed in favor of the recreational sector."

But Currin doubted that recreational fishermen could wield that type of clout.

"That requires organization and a single-minded effort," he said. "It's hard to get a million people to do anything. It's hard enough to get them to pay $10 for a license."

Currin said while there may be 2 million saltwater fishermen in North Carolina, exemptions in the form of blanket licenses for charter boats and fishing piers -- anybody on the boat or pier is covered -- cut heavily into sales.

That gets to another of McKeon's criticisms.

While Currin heralded the program's ability to create a database of fishermen to survey, McKeon said the blanket licenses undermine that effort.

"Every time you add an exemption, you dilute the database," he said. "How do you have a blanket license for a pier and know what you're catching? I don't know how you collect data."

Jeff Cronk, a charter boat captain from Emerald Isle, opposed the license but has changed his stance, partly because of the convenience of the blanket license. For $250 a year, anybody who fishes on his boat is covered.

"In the original draft, there wasn't a blanket license," he said.

Enough enforcement?

Currin said there are only 60 sworn officers in the state's marine patrol who are charged with enforcing laws throughout the entire North Carolina coast.

"They are understaffed," he said. "We need more marine patrol. We need more enforcement."

The marine patrol officers for the first year of the program vowed to write only warning tickets for first-time offenders, and, indeed, of the 4,849 citations and warnings the officers wrote last year, about 2,800 were warnings for not having a saltwater fishing license.

Ross said he was never asked if he had one. He fished more than 200 days last year.

"I hope they start checking more," he said. "That might be where the rest of those licenses are; they're just betting they're not going to get caught."

Misjudging the number of licenses sold means there's less money available than expected, but Currin said the shortfall hasn't affected any projects.

"There was no money committed until the money started coming in," he said.

An advisory committee was formed last year to allocate the money. So far, $1.61 million for projects such as printing the new saltwater fishing guides has been approved. As of the end of the year, that left the fund's balance at $2.78 million.

McKeon said that some of the money is going toward things he said has nothing to do with conservation, such as providing public access to recreational fishermen.

"It was sold as conservation," McKeon said. "It's not doing what it should be doing, and it should be repealed."

The state bill that mandated the license reads that the funds are to be used "to manage, protect, restore, develop, cultivate, conserve and enhance the marine resources of the State."

And many recreational anglers don't mind the way the money is being spent.

"At first, nobody knew where the money was going to go," Cronk said. "Reading how it's going to be put back into the fishery itself, I'm a little bit better with that."

Ross has no trouble with money being used on public access.

"I don't want to see the money completely tied up in bureaucracy," he said. "We need more accesses to the water. We need more piers."


javier.serna@newsobserver.com or (919) 836-4953.© Copyright 2008, The News & Observer Publishing Company

A subsidiary of The McClatchy Company

 I like the part where it says the money really wasn't earmarked for any given projects or use. Now  that they do require this fee, they better [dang] sure use it wisely and properly.......we are watching Shocked
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2008, 12:53:38 PM »

This article I have attached has gotten very little notice and it applies to a lot of other States in the Northeast who are about to get taxed with a saltwater fishing license.  As long as we as citizens let the freaking government keep taking us and give nothing in return, we deserve it.  Fight this proposal with you letters to your State Marine Fisheries Department and let them know you do not want to participate in the program.

I see in the NC salt water license package, the words "To create a database"  Database for what Huh?  No one in my state can give a a valid or legitimate reason for a fisherman's database.

Read this important artice and stand up for your right to not pay the government a stinking dime so that you can enjoy a recreational activity with family and friends.  The kicker is that at the inception the license will be free for the fist couple of years and then it will cost $30.00 a year after 2001........Tell them to stick it !!!!!



Interstate Recreational Angler Registry Under Construction

When President G.W. Bush approved re-authorization of the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act (MSA) in December 2006, he set wheels in motion
for all marine recreational anglers to become federally registered by January 1, 2009. Federal lawmakers view this new requirement essential to improve collection of recreational
fishery statistics needed to manage the nation’s fish stocks.  Fishery officials in many states, however, have begun to indicate their apprehension over questions about federal vs. state
authority and jurisdiction posed by the new law as well as their preference for a state-level resolution towards improved and more useful recreational fishery statistics.

The law offers exemptions from the federal register for fishermen already registered by a state’s program, provided that the state program complies with federal guidelines. Although
more than half of the country’s coastal states already have registries in place, many of these existing saltwater programs likely will need modification to qualify for exemption.
The Commonwealth of Massachusetts, indeed most of the Northeast, currently does not require a recreational fishing registry (or license) to fish for saltwater species, making the
over one million marine recreational anglers fishing annually from the Bay State clear targets of this new federal legislation.  While the new law mandates NOAA Fisheries to administer
the federal registry at no cost to anglers during the first two years of implementation, federal officials have already signaled that an approximate $30 charge could be expected in
2011. Fees are a concern to those who depend on high-angler participation for their livelihoods. Bait and tackle shop operators fear that some anglers will choose not to fish because of
the added costs.  The law states that all recreational anglers fishing in federal waters, typically beyond three miles from shores, and all those who are fishing anywhere (even from a beach) for anadromous fish species, such as striped bass, salmon and shad, will be required to register with NOAA Fisheries.  Federal officials believe that language in MSA provides
them with authority to oversee angler activity in state waters with regard to anadromous species. State officials argue that the MSA language applies to federal authority beyond 200
miles from shore, the extent of MSA jurisdiction, not within a state’s jurisdiction three miles from shore.  When the question of federal vs. state jurisdiction is coupled with possible exemptions for anglers registered by a state the probability of improving management of fisheries by force of federal law alone becomes more and more unlikely. Even if questions over authority and jurisdiction are resolved, exemptions for state programs create the dilemma of multiple, and no doubt non-conforming, data collection systems that make fisheries management benefits from a single federal user-registry obsolete.  State-led improvements to recreational fishery statistics through implementation of state-level angler registries gained
momentum at the 2007 Annual Meeting of the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission (ASMFC) in October.  The ASMFC Policy Board charged Commission staff with
“developing options for the Commission’s involvement in establishing a state level recreational registry”. Such an interstate approach would eliminate questions over authority
and jurisdiction and create uniform data collection standards leading to a single more useful comprehensive angler registry. MRIP - A new way to estimate recreational catch
The catch of saltwater fish by recreational anglers is currently estimated through the Marine Recreational Fisheries Statistical Survey (MRFSS). The methodology used in this
survey involves two parts: 1) field interviews with anglers who have just finished a fishing trip in order to estimate catch per trip, and 2) phone calls to coastal households to estimate
effort (how many trips were made). These two pieces of information are mathematically combined with the result being an estimate of the total number of each fish species caught
and/or harvested each year.  The numbers are used to mange the fisheries and to conduct stock assessments. However, in recent years, the numbers have been criticized owing to perceived inadequacies of the MRFSS. A review of the MRFSS by a panel of expert statisticians from the National Research Council (NRC) concluded that the survey had many flaws and biases that needed to be addressed in order for the data to be used with confidence.  To address the inadequacies highlighted by the NRC, the MRFSS will be totally redesigned using new methodologies for collecting and analyzing the data. The new system to collect recreational fisheries data is called the Marine Recreational Information Program (MRIP). Inadequacies that will be addressed include biases resulting from non-sampling of certain segments of the fishing public (e.g., night and tournament fishing, anglers who fish from private property or dock
ASMFC’s leadership and development of common conventions for state recreational fishing registries not only would allow vast advancement in sharing information but could result
in cost-sharing and economy of scale benefits. This level of interstate involvement would also position state governments to decide the scope of their registry programs and therefore
the cost to end users - the recreational angling public.  Implementation of federal law by January 2009 is fast approaching. The ASMFC Policy Board will continue discussions
about interstate registry requirements during its next scheduled business meeting in February 2008. Whatever the final outcome, this initiative will result in one of America’s favorite utdoor pastimes receiving more attention from political an industry leaders.


By Paul Diodati, Director
Send any questions, comments or concerns to Melanie Griffin by
fax (617.626.1509), email (melanie.griffin@state.ma.us) or mail
(251 Causeway St., Suite 400 Boston, MA 02114 ). Please include
the subject title, “Saltwater License”.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2008, 07:00:56 PM »

The 8 most feared words in America:

I'm from the government, and I'm here to help.

This release can be boiled down to one sentence:

The data we've collected so far isn't helping to solve the problem, so we're finally gonna involve the fishermen and hopefully get some realistic data that we can work with to improve stocks down the road.

Wasn't that easy?  Much less complicated than line like  "Inadequacies that will be addressed include biases resulting from non-sampling of certain segments of the fishing public..."  WTF did THAT mean?  I've read it 6 times and seriously can't figure it out, I'm an amateur bulls**ter myself, but it's nice to see a pro in action occasionally.  Grin

I have no problem with shelling out few bucks (let's say$3-5 annually) to cover the administrative costs of a federal license providing we can see real results.  Hopefully the data collected would be used effectively to help the situation for future generations of fisherman. Time will tell. The resource is diminishing and.... well, you know the rest.... 
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2008, 02:46:10 PM »

The 8 most feared words in America:

I'm from the government, and I'm here to help.

This release can be boiled down to one sentence:

The data we've collected so far isn't helping to solve the problem, so we're finally gonna involve the fishermen and hopefully get some realistic data that we can work with to improve stocks down the road.

Wasn't that easy?  Much less complicated than line like  "Inadequacies that will be addressed include biases resulting from non-sampling of certain segments of the fishing public..."  WTF did THAT mean?  I've read it 6 times and seriously can't figure it out, I'm an amateur bulls**ter myself, but it's nice to see a pro in action occasionally.  Grin

I have no problem with shelling out few bucks (let's say$3-5 annually) to cover the administrative costs of a federal license providing we can see real results.  Hopefully the data collected would be used effectively to help the situation for future generations of fisherman. Time will tell. The resource is diminishing and.... well, you know the rest.... 

 What he should have said was..." $hit flows downhill and payday is Friday" Now...that makes sense!! Angry
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2008, 04:00:40 PM »

McKeon said that some of the money is going toward things he said has nothing to do with conservation, such as providing public access to recreational fishermen.

"It was sold as conservation," McKeon said. "It's not doing what it should be doing, and it should be repealed."

The state bill that mandated the license reads that the funds are to be used "to manage, protect, restore, develop, cultivate, conserve and enhance the marine resources of the State."

And many recreational anglers don't mind the way the money is being spent.I and some other few beg to differ.
Conservation and public access??? Shouldn't that come out of the sky rocketing property, and other states taxes that we pay. If not for conservation but at least for the public access as it is public waters the last time I checked. I don't agree with the word "manage" either, seems they went to tear us a new one every chance they get..........at our expense. Now cultivate, that's a brilliant idea, as in raising carnivorous Rockfish that have eating everything including their own young at times. (but most species do this too) But please go ahead and cultivate some crabs.......I don't think the money the receive from licenses is gonna cover Blue Crabs......more like tourist acttractive types such as Tuna, swordfish, flounder etc. Okay this and I could go on, so I as I write this I have to go to Walmart to update my license(s) Angry
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