Commercial Crabbing License

[thorx4md]

Seems like there are a few of us new guys on here that have questions to ask.  I appreciate the insight provided by the more seasoned members on here that are willing to enlighten without persecuting. 

[R D]

what is CCA?

CCA is a acronym for coastal conservation association,A group of very rich people in Texas(mostly big oil including the Bush family) decided to end all commercial fishing in the USA and import all our seafood,they recruit the average rec fisherman force feed him propaganda about how bad all watermen are and they are the reason he can't go catch his cooler full on every trip,get him to donate money(these guys could finance it theirself but why should they spend their own money) use him for rallies and as headcounts at meetings and when it's all said and done cast him aside and agree to put severe limits and closers on the very fishery the rec fishermen just helped "save" from extinction by the evil watermen,by the time they get through with yellow perch up there you will be lucky to keep 2 in a small slot limit,let them get involved a little more in blue crabs and each of you will be lucky if you end up with 1 doz bag limit,these people that run the show are the most arrogant asses I have ever seen.


Remember a enviromentlist wants to save everything,
A conservationist wants to save everything for his self

[kcullip2006]

CCA is a acronym for coastal conservation association,A group of very rich people in Texas(mostly big oil including the Bush family) decided to end all commercial fishing in the USA and import all our seafood,they recruit the average rec fisherman force feed him propaganda about how bad all watermen are and they are the reason he can't go catch his cooler full on every trip,get him to donate money(these guys could finance it theirself but why should they spend their own money) use him for rallies and as headcounts at meetings and when it's all said and done cast him aside and agree to put severe limits and closers on the very fishery the rec fishermen just helped "save" from extinction by the evil watermen,by the time they get through with yellow perch up there you will be lucky to keep 2 in a small slot limit,let them get involved a little more in blue crabs and each of you will be lucky if you end up with 1 doz bag limit,these people that run the show are the most arrogant asses I have ever seen.


Remember a enviromentlist wants to save everything,
A conservationist wants to save everything for his self

BUSHwacked again!

[Islander]

what is CCA?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6THD4oySILU

[thunderhawk]

CCA is a acronym for coastal conservation association,A group of very rich people in Texas(mostly big oil including the Bush family) decided to end all commercial fishing in the USA and import all our seafood,they recruit the average rec fisherman force feed him propaganda about how bad all watermen are and they are the reason he can't go catch his cooler full on every trip,get him to donate money(these guys could finance it theirself but why should they spend their own money) use him for rallies and as headcounts at meetings and when it's all said and done cast him aside and agree to put severe limits and closers on the very fishery the rec fishermen just helped "save" from extinction by the evil watermen,by the time they get through with yellow perch up there you will be lucky to keep 2 in a small slot limit,let them get involved a little more in blue crabs and each of you will be lucky if you end up with 1 doz bag limit,these people that run the show are the most arrogant asses I have ever seen.


Remember a enviromentlist wants to save everything,
A conservationist wants to save everything for his self

RD.... thank you very much for explaining that to me without making me look like an idiot! (which is not hard to do by the way). i had no idea what it was . that certainly is enough to p*ss people off! that kind of [shiz] certainly would make life around these parts where i live a whole lot different and a whole lot worse for alot of people i know. thank you for explaining that to me the way you did. you are a class act!!!

[R D]

They have made life here in Fla difficult for all recreational fishermen and they have suceeded in putting most of the watermen completly out of business for absolutly no good reason at all,we have red tide event and hard freezes here in N Fla that kill more fish than we used to harvest even when it was unlimited in the old days.

[sensor3]

So Does anyone know where I can get a LCC license for 2 grand?

[bluecrab]

Sooo you don't have to go through the apprentice program to buy an LCC?
How did this guy get it sold to him without it?
Blue

P.s. sorry to conjure up a old thread.

[Potty Mouth]

somebody musta signed a bunch of time into his book 

[captaincrab55]

somebody musta signed a bunch of time into his book 

P_M,   What makes you say that??.....

[125blackfire]

Sooo you don't have to go through the apprentice program to buy an LCC?
How did this guy get it sold to him without it?
Blue

P.s. sorry to conjure up a old thread.

You must have a certain amount of hours worked for three captains. The apprentice program gets you a free LCC license if you work a bunch of hours. Without the apprentice program you have to pay a minimum of 3 grand And you must have a certain amount of hours working on a boat for three different captains. I'm rusty on this subject so more clarification would help. But the apprentice program has a long waiting list is what I hear.

sensor3, Illegally, The person who sells you there license must sell there license along with a certain amount of gear for a minimum of 3 grand.


LISTEN TO Crabbyd 

[Crabbyd]

You must have a certain amount of hours worked for three captains. The apprentice program gets you a free LCC license if you work a bunch of hours. Without the apprentice program you have to pay a minimum of 3 grand And you must have a certain amount of hours working on a boat for three different captains. I'm rusty on this subject so more clarification would help. But the apprentice program has a long waiting list is what I hear.

sensor3, Illegally, The person who sells you there license must sell there license along with a certain amount of gear for a minimum of 3 grand.

To clarify:

The minimum is $2K and you may not buy a lic.  You must buy the "business" but it does not state what a business is.  A business could be a dip net and the license.  Along with buying the "business", you must be able to have 3 notarized signatures vouching for your experience of at least 2,000 hours of experience.  Experience could be baiting lines, cleaning pots, crabbing etc. 

[Dreampixels]

To clarify:

The minimum is $2K and you may not buy a lic.  You must buy the "business" but it does not state what a business is.  A business could be a dip net and the license.  Along with buying the "business", you must be able to have 3 notarized signatures vouching for your experience of at least 2,000 hours of experience.  Experience could be baiting lines, cleaning pots, crabbing etc. 

I know this is not the only place to post a lic for sale but it does not appear there are too many out there being sold, at least I am not hearing anything much about it....... People asking about buying one do not have everyone jumping at the chance to sell thiers.

[Tom Powers]

Folks should decide for themselves about CCA. The folks that I know are not against commercial fishing in general.  They are against about (either commercial or recreational) overfishing and waste in fisheries. 

The stated goal is to insure adequate fish for the general public, not just recreational fishermen.  Since most members are recreational fishermen, one can understand how the rights of that sector are fought for on a regular basis.  If CCA isn't going to fight for them who is.  Not every state is fortunate enough to have a MSSA who is willing to fight for the public's rights to have adequate public resources.

Here are a few web page links.

CCA National,
http://www.joincca.org/

CCA Virginia
http://www.ccavirginia.org/

CCA MD
http://www.ccamd.org/

Oh and on the specific topic here. . .

I don't agree on individuals holding commercial gear licenses so that they can circumvent recreational limits. 

But I also don't agree on hobbyist commercial fishermen because they take market from full time commercial fishermen and contribute to driving down prices in times of abundance or during peak seasons.  Additionally, when things do get ratcheted down they take quota away from full time commercial fishermen which also tends to make their businesses plan less viable.

[R D]

Folks should decide for themselves about CCA. The folks that I know are not against commercial fishing in general.  They are against about (either commercial or recreational) overfishing and waste in fisheries. 

The stated goal is to insure adequate fish for the general public, not just recreational fishermen.   Not every state is fortunate enough to have a MSSA who is willing to fight for the public's rights to have adequate public resources.

That may be their "stated" goal but in reality their actions say it is just another lie.There is a long list of fish that the non fishing public has no access to and they are continully working to put more fish on that list even though some of these fishery's are in good health and are able to sustain a commercial harvest.In the fishery's that are either over fished or nearing it the CCA consistanly fights new Rec regulations while pushing  for severe commercial regulations or a shutdown untill the commercial fishery is eliminated and then they will support severe restriction on the Rec's too and not want to lift them even after the fishery has recovered.Red drum is the shining example,here in Fla they are pushing to have the SSBR raised to 40% from 35% even though it has been managed at the 35% goal for 20 years just so they can say the fishery hasn't met the recovered goal and they can keep the recreational fisherman with a bag limit of one and a tight slot.
The only thing the CCA is fighting for is no commercial sales of American caught finfish and their own right to go play C&R with monster fish.The non fishing consumer has no place in their goals and according to them has no rights to a "public"resource.

[Summertop]

That may be their "stated" goal but in reality their actions say it is just another lie.There is a long list of fish that the non fishing public has no access to and they are continully working to put more fish on that list even though some of these fishery's are in good health and are able to sustain a commercial harvest.In the fishery's that are either over fished or nearing it the CCA consistanly fights new Rec regulations while pushing  for severe commercial regulations or a shutdown untill the commercial fishery is eliminated and then they will support severe restriction on the Rec's too and not want to lift them even after the fishery has recovered.Red drum is the shining example,here in Fla they are pushing to have the SSBR raised to 40% from 35% even though it has been managed at the 35% goal for 20 years just so they can say the fishery hasn't met the recovered goal and they can keep the recreational fisherman with a bag limit of one and a tight slot.
The only thing the CCA is fighting for is no commercial sales of American caught finfish and their own right to go play C&R with monster fish.The non fishing consumer has no place in their goals and according to them has no rights to a "public"resource.

http://www.ccavirginia.org/cca_va_html/statechapter.html


Consider the source Ronnie, still trying to get in on the watermen board Tom?  Save the white wash for someone who actually buys it.  You are out for yourself plain and simple, don't sugar coat it.  You are going to pick them off one by one until no watermen are left.


Yes, let everyone make up their own mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6THD4oySILU

[jack1747]

Maybe there are more than two sides here. 

This past spring, the gill nets were so thick here we couldn't get out of the creek without hitting one. Watched the netters hauling in lots, and lots of Big Fish. Talked to them later. "[dang], we were tearing them up... etc. Then it just stopped. Must be the weather." I didn't catch a single Rock in the creek this year. Go figure.. 

PS:I couldn't give a rats a$$ about any organization.

[Tom Powers]

Summertop,

Yes I am on the board of directors of CCA Virginia.

Yes, I do post under my own name so it is easy for folks to pick me out (or is it pick on me.)

I tried (once) to sign up for "your" (MD, I guess) watermen's forum because I thought that it would be useful as someone who serves on two of VMRC's advisory Committees (fish and crab) and as the vice chair of the ASMFC Mid Atlantic multispecies advisory panel to participate in the forum just as I do here and other forums.   On these committees I end up discussing, making motions regarding, and vote on many commercial fisheries issues.  I guess the members of your private forums don't want outsiders and would rather ridicule than work together.

At least when I state my opinion and do so in the open and don't hide behind a screen name. . .

[R D]

Maybe there are more than two sides here. 

This past spring, the gill nets were so thick here we couldn't get out of the creek without hitting one. Watched the netters hauling in lots, and lots of Big Fish. Talked to them later. "[dang], we were tearing them up... etc. Then it just stopped. Must be the weather." I didn't catch a single Rock in the creek this year. Go figure.. 

PS:I couldn't give a rats a$$ about any organization.

Jack I can tell you all the way from Fla that those gill nets did not catch them all,everything too small for the mesh went through and every thing too big either bounced off or broke through,either way lots of fish out of a school kept swimming,that is one of the great things about that gear,very very selective,we always figured we caught 12 to 15 percent out of any given school of fish,the rest got to swim on.

[reds]

It doesn't take much searching to see that CCA is anti commercial fishing.
 
Anyone interested might want to ask why Virginia and Maryland are having trouble keeping members. The whole organization is run by a few and any deviation from the national agenda is met with harsh penalties.

I personaly have had CCA members try to hurt my business, so a screen name is a must when talking about unscrupulous people.

As far as a third view. Striped Bass Harvest is 76 percent rec harvest and 24 percent commercial harvest on the east coast. This view is presented by the people who make sure the species isn't overharvested. Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission.
 

sorry about any spelling errors.

[R D]

I agree reds,CCA FLA has ran a lot of their members off too,this latest backstabbing over grouper sure doesn't sit well with the rank n file recreational fisherman.
CCA are now trying to take what few red drum the commercial hook n line fishermen catch in Ga.No nets or traps used just a rod n reel like all rec's,just proves how anti commercial they are and it's not about gear types.

[Mr. Ray III]

Tom Powers,

I remember you from TF.  You presented the CCA as nothing but a set goal of destroying the commercial fishing industry.  People WILL decide for themselves about the CCA but there won't be a day in my life when I tell them its a biased hypocritical obnoxious destructive and crooked organization. 

The CCA always acts like they are not "anti commercial fishing" but everyone and their brother knows it aint the truth.  I don't know what it is about your group but as one of my friends says "anyone who goes into business to destroy another persons business will eventually fail."

[jack1747]

I don't think we want to get into a pissing match between C's and R's here on the BCA... Surely ya'll can find enough forums on the net to fight. 

[Mr. Ray III]

sure can.

[BowMovements]

sure can.

     Kick his a$$ seabass


Sorry got carried away.