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« on: July 22, 2008, 11:02:58 AM »

Plenty of crabs, but the market doesn't show it

HAMPTON

John Graham has been buying crabs and selling their sweet white meat from a plant on the Hampton waterfront for decades. He officially is retired but on Monday was working and steaming crabs - for free - worried that the family business may not survive.

"I keep running the numbers, and I just don't see how they can keep it going," Graham said during a break, his T-shirt soaked with sweat.

He described a three-headed threat to his company, Graham & Rollins Seafood Inc., and to the Virginia crab industry as a whole. The threats have struck at the same time this summer, like a perfect storm.

They are: a shortage of foreign workers, brought on by national political concerns about illegal immigration; market pressures from cheap and imported crabs, which increasingly are replacing locally caught crabs at restaurants, grocery stores and packing houses; and strict new regulations designed to protect dwindling crab populations in the Chesapeake Bay.

For the first time in years - "I honestly can't remember the last we did this," Graham said - the company has declared a "No Market" status.

The declaration, announced to a stable of local watermen who catch crabs for Graham & Rollins but with ripple effects touching the state industry, "basically means we can't buy any more crabs, so the guys might as well stay home," said his son, Johnny Graham, a company vice president.

At this time last year, more than 100 laborers, mostly from Mexico on temporary work visas called H2-Bs, picked through piles of crabs at the Hampton plant. This summer, without the visas, the company has mustered just 18 workers.

" We've got plenty of crabs - I'm getting calls all day asking if we want to buy more," the senior Graham said. "We just don't have anyone to pick them."

The same labor shortage is hampering operations at the few remaining crab-processing Plants in the state, according to Graham and other merchants. There used to be dozens of plants around the Bay, but today only a handful remain.

The labor shortage has become so acute that Graham is weighing an option of shipping Virginia crabs to Mexico for picking, then flying them back to Hampton for sale.

"It's all about volume," he said. "Without volume, we can't compete."

Without enough products to sell, the crab industry is being undercut by cheap imports, mostly from Indonesia, China, Malaysia and Mexico.

Crab meat produced in these countries is comparable in quality to Bay crabs, is more abundant and sells far below domestic prices, according to merchants.

David Bell buys Bay crabs directly from watermen, mostly on the Eastern Shore, and sells them to seafood markets and processing plants throughout the state.

Bell said fewer and fewer watermen are catching crabs these days, given the high costs of fuel and increasing frustration with state regulations. The result, he said, has been a "huge run of crabs the last few weeks, more than we can even sell."

"The funny thing is - if any of this can be considered funny - is that the governor keeps saying the Bay's empty of crabs," Bell said. "Well, I got news: It's not."

Greg Finney, an Eastern Shore waterman, said there are so many crabs to be had in the lower Bay, and so few packing houses ready to accept them, that he has been working under "basket limits" for more than a month now.

In short, he explained, merchants are imposing daily quotas on watermen because of a glutted marketplace.

"Our hands are tied," Finney said. "The processors are simply loaded up."

Back in Hampton, Graham hopes Congress again will allow seafood processors to hire foreign workers in picking houses. They had been coming to Hampton for 11 years, staying from roughly May to December - until last year.

An exemption granted to local processors did not survive in Washington, where lawmakers instead wanted to tackle immigration reform as a whole. But in the end, no reform package emerged, and Graham was left to try to hire local workers.

"Before, our pickers would bring their kids in, and they would learn how to crack claws, how to pick crabs," Graham said. "Now, they're learning how to do computers. They're just not interested in this job anymore."

He then chuckled wryly to himself.

"And that's why I'm in here today, working for free," Graham said.

Scott Harper, (757) 446-22340, scott.harper@pilotonline.com

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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2008, 11:19:33 AM »

"Crab meat produced in these countries is comparable in quality to Bay crabs".

Yeah right.  If you have no taste buds.  Not even close!!!
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2008, 11:35:04 AM »

same thing here in gloucester. to many crabs. no pickers.
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2008, 11:56:44 AM »

I stick with the good ole USA crabs.  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2008, 09:57:52 PM »

Never too many crabs and the common person can't tell the difference in taste.
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2008, 09:59:50 PM »

The economy sucks too, people have no money to buy them
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2008, 11:27:02 PM »

The economy sucks too, people have no money to buy them
That's for sure.  Or anything else. Sad
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2008, 11:25:19 PM »

I wasn't sure how current that article was so I searched online for the info.

Posted to: Business Hampton News
Plenty of crabs, but the market doesn't show it
By Scott Harper
The Virginian-Pilot
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2008, 11:34:23 PM »

I don't want to see anyone driven from their business, however maybe the supplemental imports are, in a way, a good thing.  Maybe they relieve some of the unbearable pressure to harvest at unsustainable levels.

If they are used by the mid to lower end of the food prep business, and the genuine bluecrab is used fr the mid to high end, then maybe the reduced demand will help revive the fishery.

My 2 cents, for what it's worth.
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2008, 12:09:13 AM »

They are a great thing  Roll Eyes the Chinese already did a test run on pet food,now they have control of the majority of our food, hmmmmmmmm if and when they decide to poison it there will be millions dead but there will be more blue crabs for the rest of us.
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2008, 12:52:55 AM »

Too many people.  Too few crabs.  It's a fact of life.  Our economy would collapse if we suddenly banned every product from China.  Whether electronics or seafood.  That's why we put up with their human rights abuses, just as we put up with terrorists from Saudi Arabia to get their oil.  Besides, we can't even keep our own food supply safe.  The spinach, tomatos and pepper scares proved that.  Grow, hunt and catch your own food on your own property is the only way to control food safety.  And that's just a pipe dream for the majority of Americans, including me.... But I'm working on it.  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2008, 07:02:14 AM »

Too many people.  Too few crabs.  It's a fact of life.  Our economy would collapse if we suddenly banned every product from China.  Whether electronics or seafood.  That's why we put up with their human rights abuses, just as we put up with terrorists from Saudi Arabia to get their oil.  Besides, we can't even keep our own food supply safe.  The spinach, tomatos and pepper scares proved that.  Grow, hunt and catch your own food on your own property is the only way to control food safety.  And that's just a pipe dream for the majority of Americans, including me.... But I'm working on it.  Grin
Your right of course but we sure need to do a better job of inspecting and controlling what comes in this country and we need to quit encouraging importing things than we can produce in this nation such as blue crab and picked crab meat.We have places that are over run with crabs right now and the prices are so low partly because of imports that the guys can not afford to go catch them.
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2008, 10:50:50 AM »

True.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2008, 09:55:31 PM »

I feel sorry for the commercial guys right now.  I am just a recreational crabber and I can tell you I have caught plenty of crabs the past two years.  20 years ago I caught more than I do now but there weren't nearly as many people crabbing as there are today.  It seems that anyone with a couple of grand can afford a small boat, a trotline or some traps and goes crabbing today.  I used to have the water to myself most of the time if I went during the week but now there is always someone else out there.  I even crab in a lot of different spots now because my old crabbing grounds are way too crowded for me.  I just want to catch my bushel and enjoy the scenery.  If I wanted a crowd I sure as heck wouldn't have bought a boat in the first place.  Places like Hart-Miller Island are a joke and from what I hear on this site I would never go to the Gunpowder and deal with all that stuff.
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2008, 11:31:42 PM »

Sad but true.  It's a numbers problem, pure and simple.  As I've pointed out before, the population has doubled since I was born in '65.  Joppatowne was still fairly rural, borderline suburb.  Now it's hard to tell where the city ends and Joppatowne begins because it's all one strip mall and storage yard and Jiffy Lube after another... with another 15,000 coming from mostly Jersey with the Army BRAC.  I have no idea where they are going to fit these people... on the roads, in the schools... AT THE PARK, etc.  Undecided Huh Cry
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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2008, 12:06:38 AM »

Sad but true.  It's a numbers problem, pure and simple.  As I've pointed out before, the population has doubled since I was born in '65.  Joppatowne was still fairly rural, borderline suburb.  Now it's hard to tell where the city ends and Joppatowne begins because it's all one strip mall and storage yard and Jiffy Lube after another... with another 15,000 coming from mostly Jersey with the Army BRAC.  I have no idea where they are going to fit these people... on the roads, in the schools... AT THE PARK, etc.  Undecided Huh Cry
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2008, 03:15:12 AM »

In most of Fla we tell where a new town starts by each Pizza Hut we see
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Quite a few Cracker Barrels too, from what I remember.  My last trip to Florida was in Orlando five years ago and I brought home a little souvenier.  My daughter turned four in January.  Grin
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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2008, 09:23:41 AM »

This year is without a doubt the most crowded crabbing season I have ever seen and I have been to 4 different areas of the bay. Probably a lot more people staying home vs vacations away combined with the astronomical prices of crabs.
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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2008, 11:38:25 AM »

The price of crabs has almost nothing to do how many people are catching their own.  They catch their own because its fun and its a great hobby.

Figure how just how much it costs you to catch a bushel (fuel, boat, traps, bait, insurance, YOUR TIME), and then tell me $125/bushel is expensive. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2008, 12:35:19 PM »

 and some still insist that all of those rec. crabbers have little to no effect on the crab population. sitting in 1 spot this summer, i could count 26 rec. crabbers and only 1 other comm. crabber. i caught 3 good bu. that day, if you totalled the rec. catch that day they probably caught more then i caught all week.
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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2008, 06:51:06 PM »

well it would be nice if all the rec crabbers would report there catch to the DNR site but i really don't know how many are taking the time to do so. it's very easy to do and i have reported all we have caught this year thumbsup
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