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« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2008, 02:18:18 AM »
That was partial? Lips Sealed

True leaders are followed.  They do not impose anything. Wink

And...The world recognizes greed and insincerity as well as we do.
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« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2008, 08:18:25 AM »
Quote from: kcullip2006 on July 20, 2008, 02:18:18 AM
True leaders are followed.  They do not impose anything. Wink

I don't buy this Pied-Piper theory of governance. There would be a Confederate States and a United States today if Lincoln didn't impose his will on the rebs in 1861. FDR capitulated to international pressure to join the European War only after Japan imposed its will on Pearl Harbor. The French would be eating bratwurst instead of baguettes if the US didn't impose its will on Germany (twice). It's not just a question of "imposing anything;" it's a question of the wise use of power for long-term benefit that defines good leadership. Cheesy

To tie this back in to the topic at hand, if MD and surrounding states don't impose some serious restrictions on land development, toxic runoff and dumping, and commercial dredging, the Chessie will never recover. I doubt developers, heavy industry, and commercial watermen will gladly follow along, but this imposition simply has to be made for the greater and long-term good.
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« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2008, 02:17:57 PM »
Quote from: Pinchy on July 20, 2008, 08:18:25 AM
I don't buy this Pied-Piper theory of governance. There would be a Confederate States and a United States today if Lincoln didn't impose his will on the rebs in 1861. FDR capitulated to international pressure to join the European War only after Japan imposed its will on Pearl Harbor. The French would be eating bratwurst instead of baguettes if the US didn't impose its will on Germany (twice). It's not just a question of "imposing anything;" it's a question of the wise use of power for long-term benefit that defines good leadership. Cheesy

To tie this back in to the topic at hand, if MD and surrounding states don't impose some serious restrictions on land development, toxic runoff and dumping, and commercial dredging, the Chessie will never recover. I doubt developers, heavy industry, and commercial watermen will gladly follow along, but this imposition simply has to be made for the greater and long-term good.
I agree with you on this point.  But that is not the type of leadership I am speaking of Pinchy. Wink
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« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2008, 05:39:24 PM »
Quote from: kcullip2006 on July 20, 2008, 02:17:57 PM
I agree with you on this point.  But that is not the type of leadership I am speaking of Pinchy. Wink

Look - we both know exactly of what you are speaking, except that you're two years out of date! The European leftist paradigm has shifted away from the Jacques Chirac-types to conservatives like: Merkel in Germany, Brown in England, Berlusconi in Italy (who has endorsed McCain), Sarkoczy in France (Bush friend), Harper in Canada (which is now returning AWOL soldiers to the US military), and Howard in Australia. These people deeply understand the grave risk which unreconstructed militant Islam poses to democratic Europe. Angry In the meantime, let's get that Chesapeake watershed in shape and save our favorite crustacean! Cheesy

No need to go on with this on the boards as it is way beyond the scope of the BCA. Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2008, 06:11:54 PM »
Way beyond. freak
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« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2008, 07:20:50 PM »
Ahh....crabs. Grin
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« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2008, 02:05:13 PM »
I thought we were discussing crabbing not geo politics laugh
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« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2008, 11:16:23 PM »
I've read all of this including the article.  But no mention of the "rockfish", I've thought their resurgence has been the primary culprit.  I have seen first hand the contents of striper's bellies, loaded with blueclaw.

I don't want to rule out the watershed, (all the way up to Lancaster) but that area has been discharging waste into streams back when the Amish dress was in style.

I understand the oxy levels have a lot to do with it, but let's face it there is a lot we really don't know.  Probably there is more we don't know than we do know.

Life is cyclical, and it seems lately that if we don't know or understand what is happening we blame man and his development.
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« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2008, 12:51:06 AM »
Quote from: tedbo on August 07, 2008, 11:16:23 PM
I've read all of this including the article.  But no mention of the "rockfish", I've thought their resurgence has been the primary culprit.  I have seen first hand the contents of striper's bellies, loaded with blueclaw.

I don't want to rule out the watershed, (all the way up to Lancaster) but that area has been discharging waste into streams back when the Amish dress was in style.

I understand the oxy levels have a lot to do with it, but let's face it there is a lot we really don't know.  Probably there is more we don't know than we do know.

Life is cyclical, and it seems lately that if we don't know or understand what is happening we blame man and his development.
So is man.
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