not following the rules

[rdbeard]

 2 examples i came across in 1 day. i'm com. and my son is laid off so he's helping on the boat for now. his friend ray  who's a rec went crabbing last wens. with traps and trotline,said he forgot it was wens., rays not the brightest sooo maybe. he gets stopped by dnr the violation were, crabbing on closed day, not enough life jackets, no boaters safty card on board no sound divse. fine 100.00 dollars. ray brags to my son that he went crabbing the next day and caught and keep 3 bu of crabs including females and any crab that was close to 5 in. he didn't get stopped that day. when he got home he sold 1 bu to cover expences. also while wakling my sheperd pup with the wife  we ran into a  young couple down the street walking their daughter, they know i crab and they are rec crabbers so i asked how had they been doing catchingcrabs they said great that they caught and keep 3 bu  the day before and that they caught alot of females, my wife asked if theywere allowed to keep females and they said they weren't supossed to but did. this blows me away and i think it's getting more common allthe time, we need better enforcment.

[Crabbyd]

2 examples i came across in 1 day. i'm com. and my son is laid off so he's helping on the boat for now. his friend ray  who's a rec went crabbing last wens. with traps and trotline,said he forgot it was wens., rays not the brightest sooo maybe. he gets stopped by dnr the violation were, crabbing on closed day, not enough life jackets, no boaters safty card on board no sound divse. fine 100.00 dollars. ray brags to my son that he went crabbing the next day and caught and keep 3 bu of crabs including females and any crab that was close to 5 in. he didn't get stopped that day. when he got home he sold 1 bu to cover expences. also while wakling my sheperd pup with the wife  we ran into a  young couple down the street walking their daughter, they know i crab and they are rec crabbers so i asked how had they been doing catchingcrabs they said great that they caught and keep 3 bu  the day before and that they caught alot of females, my wife asked if theywere allowed to keep females and they said they weren't supossed to but did. this blows me away and i think it's getting more common allthe time, we need better enforcment.

rdbeard

I agree with you.  It is either getting more prevelant or people are getting most vocal about it.  I see it constantly anymore.  DNR needs to wake up and start enforcing the laws or the resource is sure to end.

[csbooher]

but then they would have to leave the air conditioned office , thats like krytonite to them....

[Crabbyd]

We were out on Sunday and had the man fly right past us and head up river.  About 20 mins later they come flying back down the river never once to slow down and see if we were legal.  I know I have been on the river for many years and been boarded many times but you would think they would at least slow down and see what your catch looks like.  They never got close enough to see how many were on the boat.  They must of had a trouble call up river, resolved the issue and went back down river.

[dantheman2929]

I could be and most likely am wrong but if you have 2 people on board with crabbing licenses that should be 2 bu. plus the 1 your boat covers right ? so 3 total or is it a 2 Bu. Max total ?

[Dreampixels]

I could be and most likely am wrong but if you have 2 people on board with crabbing licenses that should be 2 bu. plus the 1 your boat covers right ? so 3 total or is it a 2 Bu. Max total ?

 In a Boat

 1 license = 1 bushel

 2 license = 2 bushel

No way Recs can get more then 2 bushel by law in a boat - exception of softies - you can have some of them also

[Seaweed]

Crabbyd has a commercial license. He's one of those scumbags that rape and pillage everything still alive in the bay. His catch limit is not the same as a recreational license allows. 

If you have 19 people with 19 rec licenses on your boat, you can still only take 2 bushels maximum.

[Summertop]

rdbeard

I agree with you.  It is either getting more prevelant or people are getting most vocal about it.  I see it constantly anymore.  DNR needs to wake up and start enforcing the laws or the resource is sure to end.

They were on a glorified boat ride.  If they are going to piss away the gas to go up to a call, they should have poked around on the way back and checked us as well as everyone else.  Or  they could have gave an azz load of tickets to the idiots on PWC's cutting through wakes behind the boat, or the boats towing skiers coming across the bow of the boat.  Oh no he fell off the tow rope and we ran him over, man that was pretty stupid to ski across the front of a moving vessel.        

[soggybottomboyz]

I got checked on 9/3 & 9/4 everything 

[CrabDog]

Crabbyd has a commercial license. He's one of those scumbags that rape and pillage everything still alive in the bay. His catch limit is not the same as a recreational license allows. 

If you have 19 people with 19 rec licenses on your boat, you can still only take 2 bushels maximum.

yes and I have witnessed it.....  

RDbeard,

Sorry to hear that. But please kkep in mind not all us recs are like that.  I follow all the rules to a T....take what I can eat.... I don't feed the neighborhood cats and the UPS guy and the mailman.  It surprised me some of the replies to your thread , that they don't even know the rules... I think some of it is ignorance of the rules/laws.. but the man will tell ya ignorance is no excuse.... but it sounds like a lot of folks know and are blatently don't care or figure the chances of getting caught is next to none.  I am even more surprised with all those violations you reported of your son's friend it totaled only $100.   So I guess he had to sell a second basket to cover that cost too....

I think the tighter the makes the limits and restrictions the worse the offenses will be......more violations...

[Summertop]

yes and I have witnessed it.....  

RDbeard,

Sorry to hear that. But please kkep in mind not all us recs are like that.  I follow all the rules to a T....take what I can eat.... I don't feed the neighborhood cats and the UPS guy and the mailman.  It surprised me some of the replies to your thread , that they don't even know the rules... I think some of it is ignorance of the rules/laws.. but the man will tell ya ignorance is no excuse.... but it sounds like a lot of folks know and are blatently don't care or figure the chances of getting caught is next to none.  I am even more surprised with all those violations you reported of your son's friend it totaled only $100.   So I guess he had to sell a second basket to cover that cost too....

I think the tighter the makes the limits and restrictions the worse the offenses will be......more violations...

Oh, so trading crabs for tuna trips, hunting trips etc. is poaching?  Hmmm interesting.

[rdbeard]

i was stopped on 9/7 by dnr who had stopped me early in the year and checked everything. after being checked in the srping they generally leave me alone exept to check my catch ocacinally. prior to 9/7 i hadn't seen them in a week. PS i clued them into the 2 boats i knew were poaching.

[jack1747]

All they got to do is pass the laws like they did with rockfish... Then stand at the ramp and confiscate everything the poacher has, including the truck and trailer...

[Crabbyd]

All they got to do is pass the laws like they did with rockfish... Then stand at the ramp and confiscate everything the poacher has, including the truck and trailer...

maybe confiscation of personal property will curb the poaching.....

[dantheman2929]

I would be OK with a crabbing stoppage. Only allowing Comm's a certain amount of crabbs per day and no rec's for 2 - 3 years. Look at the good things it did for the rock fish in MD waters.

[thunderhawk]

I would be OK with a crabbing stoppage. Only allowing Comm's a certain amount of crabbs per day and no rec's for 2 - 3 years. Look at the good things it did for the rock fish in MD waters.

cant say as i'd like that very much! !!! i say cut the limit to 1 bushel per boat for recs no matter how many licenses you've got, and add another closed day along with wednesday and more enforcement of the laws.

[Crabbyd]

cant say as i'd like that very much! !!! i say cut the limit to 1 bushel per boat for recs no matter how many licenses you've got, and add another closed day along with wednesday and more enforcement of the laws.

T-hawk

That sounds like a viable and possibly a fair solution.  Maybe DNR will give it some serious consideration.  I personally think enforcement is the very first step that needs to be taken serious.  Next step would be get as accurate count as possible from all who are taking from the resource.  Then after a year or so of numbers then start making legislation for the next steps in the restoration process.

[flounderpounder]

yeah close saturday or sunday...or both.

[thunderhawk]

yeah close saturday or sunday...or both.

works for me!!!!

[bassman349]

Back in April, Md. and Va. announced that there was a significant increase in crab population as a result of the winter dredge surveys.   http://www.dnr.state.md.us/dnrnews/pressrelease2009/041709.html

No need to change the regs if it seems to be working, but I agree that enforcement and fines should be stepped up and penalize the greedy pigs that are out there raping our resources.

[Crabbyd]

Back in April, Md. and Va. announced that there was a significant increase in crab population as a result of the winter dredge surveys.   http://www.dnr.state.md.us/dnrnews/pressrelease2009/041709.html

No need to change the regs if it seems to be working, but I agree that enforcement and fines should be stepped up and penalize the greedy pigs that are out there raping our resources.

Is it truely working?  My numbers this year compared to past years do not show that it is as good as they claimed it would be.....

[cath]

Yeah!!  Does make you wonder what the DNR is doing or NOT doing.  I fish and crab from various piers and see all the time someone keeping females and undersized crabs.  Also keep undersized rock.  Maybe the DNR is understaffed and cutting back as many others are.  Sure wish people would obey the rules.  It's for the good all the way around.

[rock n crab]

That dredge report is a bunch of fluff.... No way they can get an accurate reading of what the crab population is by dredging a few sample areas......

[Mr. Breeze]

Back in April, Md. and Va. announced that there was a significant increase in crab population as a result of the winter dredge surveys.   http://www.dnr.state.md.us/dnrnews/pressrelease2009/041709.html

That's funny, in July and the first 10 days in August, they were no where to be found.

[krackycrab]

That dredge report is a bunch of fluff.... No way they can get an accurate reading of what the crab population is by dredging a few sample areas......

I could count the cockroaches in NYC by openining one drawer in 1500 buildings. might not be accurate but its the best we have. then shape laws around to preserve the roach for future generations while putting exterminators out of work.