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« on: March 11, 2010, 01:58:13 PM »

Just a few fun facts from the article Roll Eyes :


    1. Virginia is home to a $170 million company called Omega Protein, whose entire fortune rides on the backs of these little fish.
    2. A 2006 study commissioned by the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission, an interstate body supported by all of the states along the Atlantic coastline, agrees.

But critics of the study say instead of focusing on how many fish are left in the Bay, the study counted all of the menhaden, from Maine to Florida, as one.

“"The whole industrial fishery is focused in the lower Chesapeake Bay and the water of the ocean just outside the Bay,” Goldsboro says. “Most certainly, we have local overfishing circumstances but we just don't have the data to document it."

Hoping to remedy that problem, ASMFC commissioned a new study, due next year.

  
  3.Reedville the second largest fish landing in the country. Second only to Alaska.  (Thanks oMEGA)
  4. Reedville plant employs 300 people/ but potentially how many could we lose in the whole region, if it hurts the bay ?
  5. The company now spends nearly 1  Shocked Million Shocked dollars a year on lobbyists pushing Congress to promote, “public awareness of health benefits of Omega-3 fatty acids.( hmm.. money and politicians   Angry  )
  6. Campaign finance records show Omega Protein donated about $140,000 to more than six dozen Virginia lawmakers over the last five years.  Hmm.. More  Money and politicians  Angry

  7.   a.) A spokesman for the Governor says, ““Omega Protein is one of the largest employers on the Northern Neck, providing good jobs for citizens in the region while "balancing the need to protect the Chesapeake Bay"
        b.) In November, the Southern Environmental Law Center filed a complaint with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency against Omega Protein, claiming internal documents show the company dumps as much as 1.2 million gallons of fish waste into the Chesapeake Bay each month of the fishing season.  ( can a.) and b.)  be compatable ?   This is not a chesapeake bay waterman company, its a o"Mega" company.
 
  

    Here is a link,                   http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/local/investigates-fish-oil-part-1-030210
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2010, 02:10:56 PM »




  How utterly strange.... can't believe so many "money..politics" equations pop up every 24 hours !!! Roll Eyes
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2010, 02:14:11 PM »



  How utterly strange.... can't believe so many "money..politics" equations pop up every 24 hours !!! Roll Eyes



                                            Yes...  you dont think they go hand in hand do you ? Grin
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2010, 02:39:26 PM »

Never Trust and Fishery Management numbers.. Thats where the Politics are at.. Not at Omega, there just try to keep there workforce employed..The reasons for coastal People not wanting them fishing is also Political... Oceanfront Home Owners are afraid of a "fish Spill" and having fish wash up on the beach..Politics are Killing Our Country and the Way of Life we all had growing up..Everybody wants to live in a "Happy Fishing Village" but they don't want to smell the fish..JMO
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2010, 02:55:06 PM »

Never Trust and Fishery Management numbers.. Thats where the Politics are at.. Not at Omega, there just try to keep there workforce employed..The reasons for coastal People not wanting them fishing is also Political... Oceanfront Home Owners are afraid of a "fish Spill" and having fish wash up on the beach..Politics are Killing Our Country and the Way of Life we all had growing up..Everybody wants to live in a "Happy Fishing Village" but they don't want to smell the fish..JMO


Maybe so but arent they in bed with these polititions, if they are paying millions to lobbyist?   Omega is a buisness, and that is what they are trying to do. make money Wink   seems like you have the inside scoop on what everybody is thinking.  Maybe we/they need to wait on that population estimate for the bay. cooler heads will deffinatly prevail.

its also funny to note that the bunker/menhaden is the only fish that falls under the direct control of the virginia general assembly. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2010, 02:56:12 PM »

I thought,       if it smells like fish, it's delish? Kind of like up here when the city folk move to the country and then go to the township meeting to complain about the smell of the farm next door. But don't laugh, they're making farms do more to control the odor. You know what I say, Love it or Leave it. And Don't let the door hit ya', where the good Lord split ya'. Wink Grin
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2010, 03:24:51 PM »

I might actually like the smell,  now only if they used j.o   aaaaaaah !    but the article is not about the smell.
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2010, 03:40:07 PM »

"In Virginia, menhaden are managed by the General Assembly and not the Virginia Marine Resources Commission, the agency that regulates the state's other saltwater harvests.

Omega donated nearly $63,000 to Virginia politicians in 2008-09, including nearly $30,000 to Bob McDonnell, who became governor Jan. 16, and smaller amounts to key legislators, according to the Virginia Public Access Project, a nonprofit group that tracks money in Virginia politics.

State Sen. Ralph S. Northam, D-Norfolk, and Del. John A. Cosgrove, R-Chesapeake, sponsored bills to shift menhaden management to the Marine Resources Commission.

"Because of the importance of menhaden . . . it needs to be managed by good science, valid science and not by politics," Northam said.

Neither bill made it out of subcommittee.

Omega's Landry said: "I don't think because of our donations these guys are going to uniformly follow what we say. . . . They look at the science."
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Maybe so but arent they in bed with these polititions, if they are paying millions to lobbyist?   Omega is a buisness, and that is what they are trying to do. make money Wink   seems like you have the inside scoop on what everybody is thinking.  Maybe we/they need to wait on that population estimate for the bay. cooler heads will deffinatly prevail.

its also funny to note that the bunker/menhaden is the only fish that falls under the direct control of the virginia general assembly. Roll Eyes

Some one mention lobbyists?

Wonder how much these cost?

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4. Does CCA employ lobbyists?

Yes.  CCA has two registered lobbyists in Washington, D.C., and we currently retain as many as 17 state and federal professional lobbyists.

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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2010, 04:49:28 PM »

Some one mention lobbyists?

Wonder how much these cost?

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agreed !!!   screw all the lobbyist    but I doubt they are being paid a meelion(austin powers) dollars   
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2010, 06:51:54 PM »

 you obviously pulled some quotes from some article, and added some personal opinion.  Just what does the following mean?

 2. A 2006 study commissioned by the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission, an interstate body supported by all of the states along the Atlantic coastline, agrees.

What does the study agree with?  That Omega's fortune rides on menhaden?  Somebody needed to do a study to determine that?  Doesn't take a rocket scietist to figure that out.  In actuallity, the menhaden population is doing well.  Maybe, just maybe, there are other reasons for the so called decline of the pop in the bay.

It sure would be nice if the cca propaganda would remain off this site. IMHO, there's no room here for a self centered, egotistical, and selfish organization or their propaganda here.  (F.E.)
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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2010, 06:56:02 PM »

If you lived in Virginia, and your father worked for Omega, you would have a different perspective.
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2010, 06:58:24 PM »

you obviously pulled some quotes from some article, and added some personal opinion.  Just what does the following mean?

 2. A 2006 study commissioned by the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission, an interstate body supported by all of the states along the Atlantic coastline, agrees.

What does the study agree with?  That Omega's fortune rides on menhaden?  Somebody needed to do a study to determine that?  Doesn't take a rocket scietist to figure that out.  In actuallity, the menhaden population is doing well.  Maybe, just maybe, there are other reasons for the so called decline of the pop in the bay.

It sure would be nice if the cca propaganda would remain off this site. IMHO, there's no room here for a self centered, egotistical, and selfish organization or their propaganda here.  (F.E.)


   Wow !!!!!! and I thought you were just another pretty face..... Shocked Shocked laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2010, 07:00:50 PM »

like I said before  Grin
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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2010, 07:01:21 PM »

If you lived in Virginia, and your father worked for Omega, you would have a different perspective.



your right I might, but it wouldnt change the facts  Undecided
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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2010, 07:05:58 PM »

you obviously pulled some quotes from some article, and added some personal opinion.  Just what does the following mean?

 2. A 2006 study commissioned by the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission, an interstate body supported by all of the states along the Atlantic coastline, agrees.

What does the study agree with?  That Omega's fortune rides on menhaden?  Somebody needed to do a study to determine that?  Doesn't take a rocket scietist to figure that out.  In actuallity, the menhaden population is doing well.  Maybe, just maybe, there are other reasons for the so called decline of the pop in the bay.

It sure would be nice if the cca propaganda would remain off this site. IMHO, there's no room here for a self centered, egotistical, and selfish organization or their propaganda here.  (F.E.)







some article ?  laugh laugh    the links right there  laugh  read it and check out the facts yourself.     and you can stick it about the cca [curd].
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2010, 07:13:38 PM »


so the solution to some people in business is to buy it from china - then you don't have to put up with the bull shet from the do gooders and the lawyers and still make a good profit with a lot less employees  Undecided
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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2010, 07:21:06 PM »

Maybe you aren't affiliated with cca, but you are utilizing cca tactics.  ie. only telling the part of the story that suits their agenda, which is the destruction of commercial fishing.

I found the answer in the artile you linked.  The study you quoted agrees with the following.
 
"The menhaden has proven to be resilient, abundant,” he says. “It’s not being overfished."
A 2006 study commissioned by the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission, an interstate body supported by all of the states along the Atlantic coastline, agrees


Man, why don't you leave this bs over on toiletflush where most will agree with you.  This propaganda can only lead to comm. bashing, and there are alot of comms here that post worthwhile info. (F.E.)
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« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2010, 07:35:54 PM »

this is not about com bashing.  the 2006 study was flawed  again read the article.  I'm not trying to convince you  if you dont agree with the content  then say that.  I will not stand for comm bashing either.   Stop being paranoid and judge this situation on its own merits.


the management of the menhaden belongs with biologist not politicians. again lets see what this study says later this year.   I respect your opinion now respect mine. You dont have to agree with it, just respect it.   Smiley     I'm worried about the average comm guy to!!
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« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2010, 07:41:49 PM »

"In Virginia, menhaden are managed by the General Assembly and not the Virginia Marine Resources Commission, the agency that regulates the state's other saltwater harvests.

Omega donated nearly $63,000 to Virginia politicians in 2008-09, including nearly $30,000 to Bob McDonnell, who became governor Jan. 16, and smaller amounts to key legislators, according to the Virginia Public Access Project, a nonprofit group that tracks money in Virginia politics.

State Sen. Ralph S. Northam, D-Norfolk, and Del. John A. Cosgrove, R-Chesapeake, sponsored bills to shift menhaden management to the Marine Resources Commission.

"Because of the importance of menhaden . . . it needs to be managed by good science, valid science and not by politics," Northam said.

Neither bill made it out of subcommittee.

Omega's Landry said: "I don't think because of our donations these guys are going to uniformly follow what we say. . . . They look at the science."

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« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2010, 08:04:57 PM »

Maybe you aren't affiliated with cca, but you are utilizing cca tactics.  ie. only telling the part of the story that suits their agenda, which is the destruction of commercial fishing.

I found the answer in the artile you linked.  The study you quoted agrees with the following.
 
"The menhaden has proven to be resilient, abundant,” he says. “It’s not being overfished."
A 2006 study commissioned by the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission, an interstate body supported by all of the states along the Atlantic coastline, agrees


Man, why don't you leave this bs over on toiletflush where most will agree with you.  This propaganda can only lead to comm. bashing, and there are alot of comms here that post worthwhile info. (F.E.)
"A fourth-generation menhaden fisherman, Deihl says Omega Protein brings in 70 percent of all the menhaden caught in the United States.

"The menhaden has proven to be resilient, abundant,” he says. “It’s not being overfished."

A 2006 study commissioned by the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission, an interstate body supported by all of the states along the Atlantic coastline, agrees.

But critics of the study say instead of focusing on how many fish are left in the Bay, the study counted all of the menhaden, from Maine to Florida, as one."
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« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2010, 08:06:40 PM »

"Man, why don't you leave this bs over on toiletflush where most will agree with you.  This propaganda can only lead to comm. bashing, and there are alot of comms here that post worthwhile info. (F.E.)"


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« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2010, 08:14:25 PM »

just a reminder to some    HELLO!!  bulb2   you are in the enviroment and conservation section.  one word for some zanex Grin
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« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2010, 08:15:43 PM »

this is not about com bashing.  the 2006 study was flawed  again read the article.  I'm not trying to convince you  if you dont agree with the content  then say that.  I will not stand for comm bashing either.   Stop being paranoid and judge this situation on its own merits.


the management of the menhaden belongs with biologist not politicians. again lets see what this study says later this year.   I respect your opinion now respect mine. You dont have to agree with it, just respect it.   Smiley     I'm worried about the average comm guy to!!

And the scientific study says the species is not overfished.  You say its flawed, because it totaled the estimated population of the fish, and not the population of the fish in the Bay.  Menhaden actually swim, just like rockfish do.  They actually spend most of their life in the ocean, swimming up and down the coast. should we say that a species is being overfished, because the number is down in a specific area?  If we do that, then you better close the rockfish, because the number that currently migrate to Maine is down.  The fishermen in Maine are crying that there are no stripers  left.  When deciding whether a species is overfished, the entire population must be studied, as this study did.  Apparrently, Goldsboro, and Jim Price, who ever they are, have decided that the study is flawed, because the number of migratory fish in the bay is down.  ie, the study is flawed because it doesn't say what we want it to say.  You either want science based management, or you don't.  You don't just take one piece of science, and disregard another because it doesn't suit your purpose.

I really don't want to argue, and will not anymore, but rather than the study being flawed, i'd venture to say that the article is  flawed.  (F>E>)
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« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2010, 08:22:59 PM »

And the scientific study says the species is not overfished.  You say its flawed, because it totaled the estimated population of the fish, and not the population of the fish in the Bay.  Menhaden actually swim, just like rockfish do.  They actually spend most of their life in the ocean, swimming up and down the coast. should we say that a species is being overfished, because the number is down in a specific area?  If we do that, then you better close the rockfish, because the number that currently migrate to Maine is down.  The fishermen in Maine are crying that there are no stripers  left.  When deciding whether a species is overfished, the entire population must be studied, as this study did.  Apparrently, Goldsboro, and Jim Price, who ever they are, have decided that the study is flawed, because the number of migratory fish in the bay is down.  ie, the study is flawed because it doesn't say what we want it to say.  You either want science based management, or you don't.  You don't just take one piece of science, and disregard another because it doesn't suit your purpose.

I really don't want to argue, and will not anymore, but rather than the study being flawed, i'd venture to say that the article is  flawed.  (F>E>)



nice post and for the( "3rd" time we will see what this study says later this year about the bunker in the bay.) 
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