Another shot at LCC's

[bsr1]

Looks like DNR is taking a new aproach to weeding out some LCC licenses.  In order to renew this year you need an active Vessel Registration.  They must think some who don't even own boats are sitting on unused licenses and sending in reports.   
 
I have a few old boats out back I might be willing to part with if anyone is looking.

[ChrisS]

BSR1,
Anyone that loses their license by this approach, should be able file suit against the state. I believe its in the regulations that a owning a vessel is not required in order to own a TFL. That would have to be changed by the legislature.

[bsr1]

Form for renewal is different this year.  Where you check license type is states "Active Vessel Registration required".  In the section where you list Vessel Registration Number it states "Vessel Registration number is required for crabbing and to have the ability to temporarily transfer license for less tha 30 days".

I have always listed mine for temp transfers.  Seems like they are really going after these licenses.  Has me concerned since I just invested $15,000 in a new boat.  If they would have made reasonable offers in the buy back maybe they wouldn't be looking for a back door now.

[ChrisS]

BSR1,
Again, I would think that, that would have to be a regulation set forth by the legislature.........I don't think the DNR can just arbitrarily just make up rules and regulations as they go.

[bsr1]

I agree but I think the ones they are after this round are from the uninformed that have been holding on to these to pass down or sell later. 

[ChrisS]

Id like to see someone challange the DNR in court, I have emails from high officials at the DNR, saying they have absolutely no idea what impact recreational crabbing has on the crab population, but think a few LCCs will crash it. Also, there's no law that says you have to work......if you hold an MHIC, you dont have to work....if you carry a vaild MD drivers license.....you dont have to drive.....if you carry a valid outfitters license, you dont have to use it.

[bsr1]

The DNR seems to want to step aside and let the Eviromental Defense Fund run things on the commercial side.  From what I've read about them it would sort of be like PETA setting the hunting seasons each year.

[redhanded]

What if you are useing someone elses boat? or does the regisration need to be in the license holders name?  I just wondering how long before the comptroller and the DNR work together with the catch reports and tax records

[XXL]

BSR1,
Again, I would think that, that would have to be a regulation set forth by the legislature.........I don't think the DNR can just arbitrarily just make up rules and regulations as they go.

Niether can Congress, the Attorney General or the Presidents' cabinet..................but

[FENWAY]

my renewal form doesnt say that this year. Dwn near the bottom in pink on the left side of the letter I got it has my vessel registration #,and to the right of that it says '' Vessel registration # is required for CRABBING and to have the ability to temporarily transfer your license for less than 30 days'' They already have my boat info on file at dnr so why would I again need to show proof of ownership?

[reds]

my renewal form doesnt say that this year. Dwn near the bottom in pink on the left side of the letter I got it has my vessel registration #,and to the right of that it says '' Vessel registration # is required for CRABBING and to have the ability to temporarily transfer your license for less than 30 days'' They already have my boat info on file at dnr so why would I again need to show proof of ownership?

You don't need proof of ownership of a vessel to crab or fish commercially. Where in comar does it say you must commercially fish or crab from a vessel???

If you register a vessel under your crabbing license, anyone that you deem, can use the vessel and license together. You don't have to be on the vessel. They and the boat just have to abide by the day off (this is why a vessel registration)....Little quirk in the law.

[R D]

Niether can Congress, the Attorney General or the Presidents' cabinet..................but

Our FWC can with NO elected oversight.

[bsr1]

All I know is what my renewal says.  Next to where I check Ltd. Crab Harvester it says "Active Vessel Registration Required".  Like I said mine is already on my license.  I'm just wondering what's going to happen to the guy that doesn't have a boat when he tries to renew.

[Seaweed]

This has to be yet another cheap shot at the LCC.    The renewal notice specifically says you need a vessel registration for crabbing.  What about oystering?  Gill/pound nets?   Why doesn't it say I need a boat for those fisheries?   I guess I could hand-tong off a dock    Walk out to a pound net    More underhanded BS.

[Seaweed]

my renewal form doesnt say that this year. Dwn near the bottom in pink on the left side of the letter I got it has my vessel registration #,and to the right of that it says '' Vessel registration # is required for CRABBING and to have the ability to temporarily transfer your license for less than 30 days'' They already have my boat info on file at dnr so why would I again need to show proof of ownership?

Look up on the right side, where the fees are listed.  It clearly says Ltd Crab Harvester - Active Vessel Registration Required.

[jefftoleft]

Could it be because some people lease to someone else that way they know what lic. belongs with what boat? I don't know I'm just asking could that be why?

[Mr. Breeze]

Look up on the right side, where the fees are listed.  It clearly says Ltd Crab Harvester - Active Vessel Registration Required.

Forms are different this year.  Looks like they are in the process of setting up to split the unlimited license.  Used to be that every license type was listed on the application in order and each descending license included the ones above it.  Now, each license holder recieves an app which only lists the license that he/she is entitled to renew, so an unlimited licese holder can't see what is written on an LCC app.  They convieniently forgot to list everything the unlimited license allows you to do.  Both mine and my wife's have rockfish authorization, but nowhere on our renewal applications does it say anything about that and we have yet to recieve our intent to harvest letters.

Since I can't see what is on the app you have,  I don't know what to make of it.  We have a Tidal Fish Advisory commission meeting this coming Monday night.  If you could scan that app, and post it here, without any identifying info,  I'll find out what is going on  Monday evening.
Or send it in a bmail, or email it to me at indr2@verizon.net

[reds]

Forms are different this year.  Looks like they are in the process of setting up to split the unlimited license.  Used to be that every license type was listed on the application in order and each descending license included the ones above it.  Now, each license holder recieves an app which only lists the license that he/she is entitled to renew, so an unlimited licese holder can't see what is written on an LCC app.  They convieniently forgot to list everything the unlimited license allows you to do.  Both mine and my wife's have rockfish authorization, but nowhere on our renewal applications does it say anything about that and we have yet to recieve our intent to harvest letters.

Since I can't see what is on the app you have,  I don't know what to make of it.  We have a Tidal Fish Advisory commission meeting this coming Monday night.  If you could scan that app, and post it here, without any identifying info,  I'll find out what is going on  Monday evening.
Or send it in a bmail, or email it to me at indr2@verizon.net

I haven't received my renewal for my TFL yet. Hmmmmm. When did you receive yours Rich?

[Mikie]

I haven't received my renewal for my TFL yet. Hmmmmm. When did you receive yours Rich?

I haven't received mine either, or the rockfish intent letter.

[Crabslayer]

Got mine on 7/15.  I said what's up with this?  DNR and their end run games.

[Mr. Breeze]

I haven't received my renewal for my TFL yet. Hmmmmm. When did you receive yours Rich?

Mike, both ours came yesterday.  after reviewing it further, It does say that the vessel registration number is required for crabbing.  That's a change.  It used to be if you wanted to let someone else crab your gear, you had to voluntarily place the vessel number on the license.  I guess now you have to put it there in order to crab.  I'll find out something Monday .

[ChrisS]

Rich,
Shouldnt that change have to be put into law?

[bsr1]

Hey Rich,  Did you get any inf on this last night?  Thanks

[Mr. Breeze]

I discussed it with Lynn Fegley and am waiting for her to get back to me with some info.  She claims to know nothing about the changes in the application.  She said that fisheries had not changed thier requirements, and assured me that this was not another assault of the lcc's.

[reds]

I discussed it with Lynn Fegley and am waiting for her to get back to me with some info.  She claims to know nothing about the changes in the application.  She said that fisheries had not changed thier requirements, and assured me that this was not another assault of the lcc's.

I also looked up the law (not comar) nothing says you have to have a boat. So anything that appears in Comar can be challenged. There is nothing in Comar either about  "must have a boat". It's voluntary!!!!

For those who don't know, Maryland has fishery laws and codes. The codes are called Comar. Dnr can change these but the laws have to be changed by the legislature.