Changes A Comming

[Summertop]

Buy the estimated 6%-10% that DNR says the recreational sector accounts for.  Once that number is caught, Wye landing ought to look pretty empty from late July-Nov.

Exactly.. estimated (dumb guess) which is why the rec sector should fight this as well.   I don't see commercial quotas being on an individual basis, like the sook allocation at its first year that was too hard to police and it was changed to a license allocation.  I see the allocations being done within each license class with the LCC given the hard shaft and left with rec numbers to catch.  These licenses would be weeded out and worthless and than an invidual license quota would be established after the LCC sector was rid of.  Any of you LCC holders who attended any of the meetings a few years ago about latent licenses should already know that they picked you off once and the target is still painted on your chest and that none of them (MWA, DNR, Blue Crab Advisory Committee) give 2 shits about you.  JMO

[Mr. Ray III]

Buy the estimated 6%-10% that DNR says the recreational sector accounts for.  Once that number is caught, Wye landing ought to look pretty empty from late July-Nov.

Yep, recs don't take much.  So 1 doz/boat/day.

[Crabslayer]

Exactly.. estimated (dumb guess) which is why the rec sector should fight this as well.   I don't see commercial quotas being on an individual basis, like the sook allocation at its first year that was too hard to police and it was changed to a license allocation.  I see the allocations being done within each license class with the LCC given the hard shaft and left with rec numbers to catch.  These licenses would be weeded out and worthless and than an invidual license quota would be established after the LCC sector was rid of.  Any of you LCC holders who attended any of the meetings a few years ago about latent licenses should already know that they picked you off once and the target is still painted on your chest and that none of them (MWA, DNR, Blue Crab Advisory Committee) give 2 shits about you.  JMO

"The number of latent and possibly active, commercial crab licenses must be reduced in order to ensure a viable fishery supporting full-time watermen."

Says it all right there John.

[Summertop]

"The number of latent and possibly active, commercial crab licenses must be reduced in order to ensure a viable fishery supporting full-time watermen."

Says it all right there John.

It didn't have to say it, because 2 years it came out of all their mouths at the meetings and when you countered with other factual information or challenged their so called science it didn't mater which told me that everything was predetermined and that the LCC is done.  The only think is when the final blow will happen.

[Crabslayer]

Since it is Federal $$$ pushing this I would also suggest that you contact your U.S. Senators and Congressmen.

http://mdelect.net/electedofficials/

[Mr. Breeze]

 that none of them (MWA, DNR, Blue Crab Advisory Committee) give 2 shits about you.  JMO

At least on the Blue Crab Industry Advisory Committee there is some representation of the independent waterman, cause I'm on that, and I will go to bat for the little guy

[Summertop]

At least on the Blue Crab Industry Advisory Committee there is some representation of the independent waterman, cause I'm on that, and I will go to bat for the little guy

Rich,   No offense to you personally, but you don't hold an LCC and while I can see you personally helping the "little guy." When push comes to shove and your license class might be forced with a cut,  you are not going to throw yourself under the bus for someone with a different license class.  The LCC will get the cut without any representation or aid from any group.  The sacrifical lamb label was already apparent after the first go round.

[Crabslayer]

With the mid-term elections shaking up Obama and Dr. Lubchenko, NOAA made an announcement on November 4th.  They are trying to implement catch shares prior to the 2012 elections.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/12/noaas_catch_shares_fisheries_d.html

[hoffmannconstruction]

At least on the Blue Crab Industry Advisory Committee there is some representation of the independent waterman, cause I'm on that, and I will go to bat for the little guy

I appreciate you going to bat for the little guy. That is me being a lcc holder. If there are any meetings or hearings about all this catch share stuff, I would appreciate some notice so i could attend!

[hoffmannconstruction]

Lets say that they do go to catch shares and for the sake of arguement, me being a lcc holder is allowed 4 bushel per day, my father being a lcc holder is allowed 4 bushel per day. Can we have a boat that is registered in both names and both lcc licenses registered to that boat and would it be legal to then harvest 8 bushel? 4 being on my license and 4 being on his license, the first 4 caught by me on my license and the 2nd 4 caught by me working for my father under his license? Hopefully I will find a t.f.l for a decent price and this won't be a big deal to me!

[Mr. Breeze]

I appreciate you going to bat for the little guy. That is me being a lcc holder. If there are any meetings or hearings about all this catch share stuff, I would appreciate some notice so i could attend!

If I hear of any meetings that are open to the public,  I'll post here.

Lets say that they do go to catch shares and for the sake of arguement, me being a lcc holder is allowed 4 bushel per day, my father being a lcc holder is allowed 4 bushel per day. Can we have a boat that is registered in both names and both lcc licenses registered to that boat and would it be legal to then harvest 8 bushel? 4 being on my license and 4 being on his license, the first 4 caught by me on my license and the 2nd 4 caught by me working for my father under his license? Hopefully I will find a t.f.l for a decent price and this won't be a big deal to me!

Right now, you can do this.  After the design team is done, maybe not, but here are too many husband/wife teams around the bay to expect this to change.

[Mr. Breeze]

Rich,   No offense to you personally, but you don't hold an LCC and while I can see you personally helping the "little guy." When push comes to shove and your license class might be forced with a cut,  you are not going to throw yourself under the bus for someone with a different license class.  The LCC will get the cut without any representation or aid from any group.  The sacrifical lamb label was already apparent after the first go round.

John,  I see where you're coming from, but I don't think I would back down.  However,  I may be the only one.  There are, however, a couple on the advisory committee that hold LCC's

[Mr. Ray III]

Lets say that they do go to catch shares and for the sake of arguement, me being a lcc holder is allowed 4 bushel per day, my father being a lcc holder is allowed 4 bushel per day. Can we have a boat that is registered in both names and both lcc licenses registered to that boat and would it be legal to then harvest 8 bushel? 4 being on my license and 4 being on his license, the first 4 caught by me on my license and the 2nd 4 caught by me working for my father under his license? Hopefully I will find a t.f.l for a decent price and this won't be a big deal to me!

You could lease your father's share.  Then you could get 8 bushels. 

I haven't seen that many TFL's for sale, and right now, for some reason, craigslist is full of LCC want adds. 

[reds]

You could lease your father's share.  Then you could get 8 bushels.  

I haven't seen that many TFL's for sale, and right now, for some reason, craigslist is full of LCC want adds.  

Maybe the DNR should try to sell some of the ones they bought. Good income.

[Mr. Ray III]

Why?  They are catching pleanty of fish for their expenses!

[phillyfireman]

Dont like the smell of this, even a little bit!!   I could see this hurting the little(INDEPENDANT) guy.   Sounds like  the crabbing version of Omega protien.

[Summertop]

You could lease your father's share.  Then you could get 8 bushels. 

I haven't seen that many TFL's for sale, and right now, for some reason, craigslist is full of LCC want adds. 

Happens every spring, and after my dealings.. It is amazing how many stupid people will lay out cash for something they know nothing about or even how to obtain it after they buy a business. 

[Mr. Ray III]

Exactly.  No research about it. 

[berettafan]

Project 1A(ii): Evaluate “catch share management” for application to the blue crab fishery

Budget: $500,000
MD DNR has contracted, and is collaborating with the Environmental Defense Fund (EDF) and

fishery management experts from the Bay and around the country to discuss and evaluate the current

licensing and management structure of the blue crab fishery. Both industry and DNR staff will

participate. EDF will also host learning sessions for watermen, conduct industry economic survey

and analysis, and draft design workshops.

If MD DNR doesn't know how to manage this state's single most precious resource then what, exactly, have they been doing with their budget $$ all these years?

This kind of [curd] sells in the legislature because reps can hide behind 'well that's what the experts told us' and don't have to take personal responsibility for their decisions.  There are so few real men left in this world...

Last question you all need to ask yourselves is WHO are the major harvesters hiding behind the curtains selling the rest of you out.  Find out who these people are and expose them NOW.  Else they will be the only ones left standing after the shtf and it will be too late for small business.  This kind of research requires atty's and investigators and serious digging.  

It is time for you small operators to make a decision....give up or get organized and put some power behind your comments.

[genecrabman]

You could lease your father's share.  Then you could get 8 bushels. 

I haven't seen that many TFL's for sale, and right now, for some reason, craigslist is full of LCC want adds. 

I don't think it will happen that way...I'd say they will average the landings over the past 3-5 years and give you a percentage of your total landings....Unless the son and Dad sold 4 bushels each,everyday of the Crab Season, I'm sure they won't get there 4 bushels per day...The Crabbers that had a steady Landing thru-out the Crab Season will get the biggest slice of the Pie...JMO

[Mr. Ray III]

I agree, but who knows what they'll do...

[flounderpounder]

Yep, recs don't take much.  So 1 doz/boat/day.

1%/boat/day 

[Mr. Ray III]

1%/boat/day 

A percent for each rec?!

If 1 doz/day is scary, recs need to be in the fight against catch shares too.

[rdbeard]

When DNR started the elimination of latent LCC's they made the statement that all future blue crab regulations will be based on catch reports from 04 to 08 so that much is done. if they use those #'s alot of crabbers will lose, not just the LCC's. i'm hopen they use a lic. type quota system per day, but i doubt that will happen either. The guys with the big #'s and full TFL's fishing 900 pots or more will get the lions share but evenually they won't be working for themselves antmore either.

[ChrisS]

Glad I got out when I did!