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« on: March 28, 2011, 12:13:07 PM »
I understand 1911's have a huge base in the handgun market, but I'm also looking into the xdm 9mm for all of its new features.

I will be using it mostly at the range (since Maryland is retarded about cc) and I don't plan to ever have to use it for self defense.

they're both around $700

any opinions on the best choice to start out with?
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2011, 12:50:37 PM »
no one plans to use thier gun for self defence but sometimes you just gotta.
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2011, 12:52:45 PM »
9mm no where near the knock down power of a 1911 45 acp... If I had to chose I would opt for the 1911 over any 9mm.... maybe only half the capacity of a 9 mm but 1 shot and done with a 1911......probaly one of the most iconic handguns ever... I have shot both and my bet is on the 1911... Wink

a good split would be a 40 auto.... higher capacity like the 9mm but more knock down power than the 9mm ,, but not as much as the 45 ACP.... but it would be a good compormise between the two...
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2011, 12:53:25 PM »
 i have 2 9mms 1 glock and 1 carbine. if i had to shoot someone i'd rather use the .45 but i don't have 1 yet so the 9s will have to do.
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2011, 01:13:44 PM »
I have a 40 S & W before that a 44 mag,9's are great for the city where you have to worry about where your bullet goes and for the range,I like the 40 for the extra rounds but I carried the Blackhawk back during the dope smuggling days and felt very safe with it on the boat,6 shots fron it would have been plenty.
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2011, 01:45:21 PM »
Considering the price of ammo these days, the 9mm should be more economical to shoot at the range, and fun while you hone your skills. If not being considered for self defense purposes, then no need to compare the 9mm to other cartridges other than price. Whatever you buy, consider the comfort factor with the weapon in your hand.
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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2011, 02:31:32 PM »
by the self defense comment I mean that I would imagine a Remington 870 12 gauge with 00 buck will stop someone better or at least just as well as both options.
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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2011, 03:14:05 PM »
Quote from: cullenw08 on March 28, 2011, 02:31:32 PM
by the self defense comment I mean that I would imagine a Remington 870 12 gauge with 00 buck will stop someone better or at least just as well as both options.

yeah I agree 12 gauge pump is best home defense.. cause anyone breaking in hears the destinctive stoke of the action usually will turn around and run.... so you don't even need to use it.... Wink  actually 00 buck can still go through walls of your house so if someone is behind the intruder and you fire in defense of yourself you could go thorugh them and into the next room. 9 mm same thing higher velocity round...I keep #7 shot handly.. 1/2 thick sheet rock will stop it.. but it would make a heck of a mess if it hit someone .......9mm and 40 ammo is cheaper than 45 etc... may want to also consider a wheel gun too....cheaper and a 357 is a good choice as you can shot 38 specials also and they are cheap and it can also shoot the 357 mag too.... so it depends if you are set on an auto versus a wheel gun....like RD said the ruger black hawk is a fine wheel gun also ... and if it was in the 45 long colt that is a stopper round too...
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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2011, 04:55:38 PM »
Gotta disagree Pup.  So there wouldn't be a debate.....  Two sheets of .5" drywall 4 to 6 inches apart.  Only a 20 ga.  #7 punched thru both sheets with ease at 15 feet (average length of a room, IMO) and kept right on tearing thru the phragmites.  Cool  Notice the wad did not even make it half thru the first sheet but I would not want to get hit by even that without a heavy coat on. No need to waste a 12 Ga. shell.  Wink Grin
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2011, 05:06:42 PM »
Quote from: CrabDog on March 28, 2011, 03:14:05 PM
yeah I agree 12 gauge pump is best home defense.. cause anyone breaking in hears the destinctive stoke of the action usually will turn around and run.... so you don't even need to use it.... Wink  actually 00 buck can still go through walls of your house so if someone is behind the intruder and you fire in defense of yourself you could go thorugh them and into the next room. 9 mm same thing higher velocity round...I keep #7 shot handly.. 1/2 thick sheet rock will stop it.. but it would make a heck of a mess if it hit someone .......9mm and 40 ammo is cheaper than 45 etc... may want to also consider a wheel gun too....cheaper and a 357 is a good choice as you can shot 38 specials also and they are cheap and it can also shoot the 357 mag too.... so it depends if you are set on an auto versus a wheel gun....like RD said the ruger black hawk is a fine wheel gun also ... and if it was in the 45 long colt that is a stopper round too...



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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2011, 05:39:06 PM »
XDM40. just about as cheap to shoot as 9mm.  Love mine.  You should be able to pick one up for less then $600.  I paid like 550. I think.
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« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2011, 06:49:01 PM »
Quote from: CrabDog on March 28, 2011, 12:52:45 PM
9mm no where near the knock down power of a 1911 45 acp... If I had to chose I would opt for the 1911 over any 9mm.... maybe only half the capacity of a 9 mm but 1 shot and done with a 1911......probaly one of the most iconic handguns ever... I have shot both and my bet is on the 1911... Wink

a good split would be a 40 auto.... higher capacity like the 9mm but more knock down power than the 9mm ,, but not as much as the 45 ACP.... but it would be a good compormise between the two...

why would he care about knockdown power?  he said he is only using it at the range....  AND I have a 9mm and I garunteeeee if I shoot someone in the head or chest......HE/SHE  IS GOING DOWN !!!!!  and thats a promise Wink
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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2011, 07:03:58 PM »
Quote from: flounderpounder on March 28, 2011, 06:49:01 PM
why would he care about knockdown power?  he said he is only using it at the range....  AND I have a 9mm and I garunteeeee if I shoot someone in the head or chest......HE/SHE  IS GOING DOWN !!!!!  and thats a promise Wink




They'd be MORE DEAD with a 44 Mag.. Grin
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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2011, 07:05:58 PM »
Quote from: flounderpounder on March 28, 2011, 06:49:01 PM
why would he care about knockdown power?  he said he is only using it at the range....  AND I have a 9mm and I garunteeeee if I shoot someone in the head or chest......HE/SHE  IS GOING DOWN !!!!!  and thats a promise Wink
Head shot maybe.  Chest, not true.  Even multi .45's to the chest have failed to stop BGs on PCP.  BTW folks, the #1 1 shot stopper has/is been .357 JHP 125 gr.  Cool
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2011, 07:14:10 PM »
A lot of DSP are carrying Glocks .357 for just that reason.
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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2011, 08:51:57 PM »
Quote from: jack1747 on March 28, 2011, 07:05:58 PM
Head shot maybe.  Chest, not true.  Even multi .45's to the chest have failed to stop BGs on PCP.  BTW folks, the #1 1 shot stopper has/is been .357 JHP 125 gr.  Cool

Yep,  ft./lbs. of energy is what makes the .357 mag. stand out above most others.  One would think that the 45ACP would do better, but it is such a slow moving bullet that it does not create the kind of energy that the 357 will.  I'm not even convinced that a 45 hollow point will expand because of the slow speed.  Muzzle energy is why I stick with 30 cal. fast moving stuff for deer. Seems like they fall down a lot quicker than with the .25 cal. and smaller.
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« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2011, 03:10:46 AM »
Quote from: flounderpounder on March 28, 2011, 06:49:01 PM
why would he care about knockdown power?  he said he is only using it at the range....  AND I have a 9mm and I garunteeeee if I shoot someone in the head or chest......HE/SHE  IS GOING DOWN !!!!!  and thats a promise Wink
Did you know the 1911 was invented in response to our guys during the phillipine resurection were putting 6 .38s into those people and they kept coming and in some cases killed the guy holding his empty 38
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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2011, 06:36:39 AM »
Quote from: R D on March 29, 2011, 03:10:46 AM
Did you know the 1911 was invented in response to our guys during the phillipine resurection were putting 6 .38s into those people and they kept coming and in some cases killed the guy holding his empty 38
Yup...  Grin  Course it was a pure lead round nosed bullet loaded over black power.  .38 Long Colt...  Cool
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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2011, 07:13:29 AM »
I had a Springfield xd_9 for my first handgun and it was great to shoot. Light weight and accurate. The grip seemed more managable than the 1911. I got sick of carrying a large frame service style weapon and changed to a cheap Skyy arms 9mm sub-compact. Best $250.00 I ever spent. I am such a cheap [arse].
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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2011, 07:29:24 PM »
Quote from: jack1747 on March 28, 2011, 07:05:58 PM
Head shot maybe.  Chest, not true.  Even multi .45's to the chest have failed to stop BGs on PCP.  BTW folks, the #1 1 shot stopper has/is been .357 JHP 125 gr.  Cool

I'll take my chances on the ONE time in my life that I MIGHT have to shoot someone.....that they are not wacked out on pcp  Grin   laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

did I mention I carry 2 clips also..If your gonna shoot someone and go through all the court/bs ...you may as well get your moneys worth Wink

figure 1 clip for each intruder/rapist/mass murderer/steak salesmen  laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh
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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2011, 07:46:51 PM »
Hope you never have to draw.... Undecided  Good luck wit the 9. If your gun is up to it, at least go +p.......

Course you know .38 special bullet is 0.358 inch, which is 9.09 mm.... Wink
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2011, 08:36:06 PM »
Safety wise the xd-9 only has a grip safety, as far as range shooting I like the 9mm for just startin out and it had great reviews against the glock 19 I think it was. Tough to carry and conceal but great gun.
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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2011, 09:15:46 PM »
grip and trigger ;)safety  Try a CrossBreed holster and most any weapon will disappear...
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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2011, 10:15:51 PM »
Quote from: flounderpounder on March 28, 2011, 06:49:01 PM
why would he care about knockdown power?  he said he is only using it at the range....  AND I have a 9mm and I garunteeeee if I shoot someone in the head or chest......HE/SHE  IS GOING DOWN !!!!!  and thats a promise Wink
DONT MEAN TO BE MORBID OR NOTHIN, JUST AN EXAMPLE , THAT SENATOR FROM ARIZONA TOOK A 9MM TO THE HEAD SHES STILL AROUND,
DONT THINK SHE WOULDA MADE IT IFN IT WAS A .45 BALL
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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2011, 10:22:57 PM »
Quote from: bassman349 on March 28, 2011, 08:51:57 PM
  I'm not even convinced that a 45 hollow point will expand because of the slow speed. 
SOAK A FEW OF THEOSE PESKY PHONE BOOKS IN WATER OVERNIGHT THEN STRAP THEM TOGETHER,  ADD AN OLD SHIRT OR JACKET OVER THE BOOKS STEP BACK 10 YARDS AND LET IT FLY
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HAD A FEW SXT IN DIFFERENT CALIBERS LOST THEM OVER THE YEARS
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