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« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2013, 08:25:37 PM »

As soon as the DNR reported a drop in crab, I knew that this will be an outstanding year.  Potters are already saying that they are seeing more crabs than they ever have for this time of the year.  By June 15th, everyone will be talking about how many crabs there are. 

Glad somebody is getting some.  I crabbed 430 yesterday for 3/4 1's, 1/4 2's and a dozen and a half sooks
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« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2013, 11:51:50 PM »

Glad somebody is getting some.  I crabbed 430 yesterday for 3/4 1's, 1/4 2's and a dozen and a half sooks
Man i hope things pick up soon.
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« Reply #52 on: May 17, 2013, 05:27:13 AM »

Just another example that Limits and Restrictions don't work...
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« Reply #53 on: May 17, 2013, 08:02:57 AM »

I think pressure on the crabs is a problem in md.BUT in md crabbing by recs is a tradition more so than any other state that has crabs to catch. i'm sure there are way more rec crabbers in md  using the max. amount of equipment thats legal then there are comm crabbers using the max. amount of equipment. thats alot of crabbing going on, this coupled with the sad condition of water quality, loss of bay grasses from the same.a problem of pollution that will never be fixed makes for a bad situation that will never change. as far as the WDS it's very flawed and is never all the way correct, at least i don't believe everything i read about what DNR says about bay crab population. JMHO.
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« Reply #54 on: May 17, 2013, 08:43:38 AM »

Glad somebody is getting some.  I crabbed 430 yesterday for 3/4 1's, 1/4 2's and a dozen and a half sooks

You got to put clams in those pots. 
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« Reply #55 on: May 17, 2013, 10:16:34 AM »

You got to put clams in those pots. 
Thats hard to do at 95 per bu.
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« Reply #56 on: May 17, 2013, 10:46:31 AM »

Thats hard to do at 95 per bu.

Paying $95 per bu. is easy if your allowed to keep the crabs you catch.  It is hard to pay $95 per bu. when the sook limit is:

LCC 2 Bu.
TFL/CB3 4 Bu.
TFL/CB3 w/CB6 6 Bu.
TFL/CB3 w/ CB9 11 Bu.


and sooks are $50 per bushel.   Let's say you have TFL/900 pot allocation.  Pay two mates, fuel, and 5 bu. of clams. 

Crabbers are not like gov. agencies like the DNR where they say their costs have exceeded their budget for many, many years.   That's ok.  Once the DNR puts all the watermen out of business. They will only have to police the recs.

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« Reply #57 on: May 17, 2013, 01:28:58 PM »

Paying $95 per bu. is easy if your allowed to keep the crabs you catch.  It is hard to pay $95 per bu. when the sook limit is:

LCC 2 Bu.
TFL/CB3 4 Bu.
TFL/CB3 w/CB6 6 Bu.
TFL/CB3 w/ CB9 11 Bu.


and sooks are $50 per bushel.   Let's say you have TFL/900 pot allocation.  Pay two mates, fuel, and 5 bu. of clams.  

Crabbers are not like gov. agencies like the DNR where they say their costs have exceeded their budget for many, many years.   That's ok.  Once the DNR puts all the watermen out of business. They will only have to police the recs.



Here's the limits from last year, which was supposed to be a good year.
April 1 to May 31
LCC= 2
CB3= 5
CB6= 10
CB9= 18

The graphs I saw at the meeting yesterday, put the female population in deep trouble.
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« Reply #58 on: May 17, 2013, 02:00:06 PM »

Here's the limits from last year, which was supposed to be a good year.
April 1 to May 31
LCC= 2
CB3= 5
CB6= 10
CB9= 18

The graphs I saw at the meeting yesterday, put the female population in deep trouble.

Which graph was this?  WDS? 
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« Reply #59 on: May 25, 2013, 05:03:28 PM »

Tragedy of the Commons coupled with the law of unintended consequence, all "managed by the epitome of idiocy and inefficiency... da gubmint. What could possibly go sideways from there.

Some simple old man logic:
Fish follow food. Red drum food in the Bay (juvie crabs) have no grass in which to hide, leaving the shoreline of the Chesapeake a veritable all you can eat buffet for their predators.

And where have all of the grasses gone?

Well of course there's the largest industry left in the area, farming, which has spent the last 40 years morphing into the biological and environmental nightmare that is modern industrial farming... but say sumthin' bad about a chicken concentration camp in Delmarva and risk being burned at the stake. All them "undocumented workers" have to have a way to afford new I-phones too don't ya know. All part of this stunning economic recovery that we've been in the throws of since the arrival of the messiah.
 
Then we have the political pimps who buy all of the whores that they need in the State and feral legislatures and we get "permitted" pollution. That which corporations who say... contribute to Marty's fascist wealth redistribution traveling fun show campaign are granted by the feral and State EPA. Curtis Creek, Brandon Shores, Sparrows Point... all dumping "legally permitted" toxins 'cuz they have paid for the privilege. The area surrounding the Coast Guard Yard has been spawning three eyed ulcerous fish for decades, but hey... nuthin' to see here folks, just move along. We're from the gov't and we're here to help.

Of course we also have the interstate cooperation that has stood mumbling in the corner while the Susquehanna's outflow has continued to increase turbidity and reduce the level to which sunlight can penetrate the water. Not to worry. Since when do plants need sunlight to perform photosynthesis? Besides, with all of that pesky prop fouling grass gone we can grow more of that wonderful algae, 'cuz that's a whole lot better than water filtering shellfish, wetlands and grasses.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/sir/2012/5185/pdf/sir2012-5185-508.pdf


As fer the college kids that don't know a Jimmy from a sook, it's not all their fault. The problem is that they are biologists playing with statistics and statistical analysis, and that is the purview of economists not biologists. Just remember, economists are the very "world renowned" idgets that the POTUS has been quoting for years. People like Paul Krugman, a true mental midget among the helmet wearing short bus crowd (the sphincter who spouted that trying to save your money rather than spend it was unpatriotic and akin to terrorism???).

Unfortunately it is most likely a synergy of all of the above. Everything from the knucklehead dumpin' his Caddie's oil pan into the storm drain on North Ave. to the pristine Chemlawn atrocities of Ruxton, Potomac, and golf courses from Virginia to New York. Let's also not forget it was discovered that the recent influx of hormones, pharmaceuticals and personal care chemical compounds heretofore unknown (officially labeled endocrine disruptors) in our rivers and streams are causing the male black bass of the upper Potomac to carry eggs and grow female sex organs??? Somebody at DuPont and Dow apparently forgot to mention to the FDA and EPA that their latest and greatest legal drugs and genetics experiments persist in the environment even after passing through our stellar waste water treatment jokes. Take a look at what happens to those beauties when we get a nice heavy rain.

The tragedy of the commons is that everybody contributes something in their own little way to their ultimate demise, but all along the way everybody involved is so busy trying to get what they want and point fingers at others that nobody wants to be the one to stand up and say STOP! It's always the other guy.

So the next time you're sitting in a Mickey Dee's parkinglot, waiting for your pink slime burger, whose parts have traveled tens of thousands of miles to get to your car window, ask yourself if maybe there might be sumthin' that you could do to make your life your argument... and maybe even start a revolution? It's all related, and the sooner we all realize that the rulers depend upon keeping us divided and pointin' fingers at each other, the sooner we can all get together and start buildin' us some guillotines.  Wink

Not that I have much of an opinion on the subject.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #60 on: May 26, 2013, 09:58:51 AM »

Galt,

Well stated, very intelligent interpretation of the problem. However...not once did you mention the real scoorge of the crab population demise....the non resident rec crabber. Ask any Marylander and they will tell you where the true blame belongs. Sad Sad Sad
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« Reply #61 on: May 26, 2013, 11:18:33 AM »

Last year was no record year.It was poor and many crabbers spent more time washing pots than catching crabs.Also,the red drum didnt do it.I can remember years when there were croakers everywhere (also big crab eaters)and there were plenty of crabs around.The Bays water quality sucks and the grasses are depleted.Scientists and watermen know this to be the problem so why the emphasis on these bushel limits?I do not understand.   
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« Reply #62 on: May 26, 2013, 10:21:03 PM »

Last year was no record year.It was poor and many crabbers spent more time washing pots than catching crabs.Also,the red drum didnt do it.I can remember years when there were croakers everywhere (also big crab eaters)and there were plenty of crabs around.The Bays water quality sucks and the grasses are depleted.Scientists and watermen know this to be the problem so why the emphasis on these bushel limits?I do not understand.   






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« Reply #63 on: May 28, 2013, 12:33:22 AM »

"Since when do plants need sunlight to perform photosynthesis? Besides, with all of that pesky prop fouling grass gone we can grow more of that wonderful algae, 'cuz that's a whole lot better than water filtering shellfish, wetlands and grasses. " ....
Be nice, Obie says algae is the oil of the future,,, just part of the plan of Obie?Huh    Shocked
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« Reply #64 on: May 28, 2013, 12:38:04 AM »

Count down?Huh  Not only are they a good size but I average 11 keepers per pot on a 2 day soak. Best since I started keeping records 2 years ago for this time of year.
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« Reply #65 on: May 28, 2013, 11:08:17 AM »

Guy's I don't know what to tell you but the story is the same here.  NO CRABS.  Crab counts are down everywhere in my neighborhood.  My cousin who is a commercial "potter to y'all" is running 450 pot per day on a 7 day set and is only catching 175 pounds.  The price on 1's are holding but otherwise he is barely making expense money.  Crawfish on the other hand is booming.  High Mississippi River levels are keeping those mudbugs nice and soft.  Pond crawfish is almost over due to the heat.  If you haven't see the video Paul made ya gotta check it out.  Next week I'll be with him catching crawfish instead of crabbing.

By the way who wants crawfish?  I can ship them to MD or anywhere SW goes.  Let me know.

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« Reply #66 on: May 28, 2013, 11:38:47 AM »

Guy's I don't know what to tell you but the story is the same here.  NO CRABS.  
Could this be the end of the world? end
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« Reply #67 on: May 28, 2013, 12:52:27 PM »

 The problem is water quailty,no dought and from what i see it will never be fixed. to do what has to be done to fix it will cost more that anyone who matters will spend or do. so enjoy the bay and crabs while they are here.PS the reason for the bu limits on the females is to see just where the bay is at when it comes to carrying capacity and crabs. no one knows for sure just how many crabs the bay can support in the condition it's in so they cut the sook catch to see how many new crabs will live. I think they found their ansewer last year with the winter dredge survey. thats where all the small crabs went and they know it.
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