Policy to conserve female crabs

[ChrisS]

Gene,
If pollution is so bad, why are you selling what your harvesting from the polluted water to the public?

Could you (collectively) now be held liable?

[ChrisS]

If farmers are being sued for sending tainted harvests to market, shouldnt a waterman being held to the same if harvests from the waterman test positve for high levels of mercury or (insert here)?

[genecrabman]

Gene,
If pollution is so bad, why are you selling what your harvesting from the polluted water to the public?

Could you (collectively) now be held liable?

Pollution does NOT allow for the Best yeild of the species.....Just like a Pregnant woman when she puts chemicals in her body.......It effect the Baby......Smoking contributes to a smaller baby and drugs can cause types of damage too...But when the "MOTHER" has EVERYTHING working in a Proper Balance.....A healthy Baby is created...

[ChrisS]

Pollution does NOT allow for the Best yeild of the species.....Just like a Pregnant woman when she puts chemicals in her body.......It effect the Baby......Smoking contributes to a smaller baby and drugs can cause types of damage too...But when the "MOTHER" has EVERYTHING working in a Proper Balance.....A healthy Baby is created...

So, its not ok to sell your (collectivly) harvest?

[genecrabman]

If farmers are being sued for sending tainted harvests to market, shouldn't a waterman being held to the same if harvests from the waterman test positive for high levels of mercury or (insert here)?

I've never heard of High Mercury Levels in Crabs.....But when Mercury Levels get high in King Mackerel and Swordfish, they can shut the fishery down.......Is this what your asking?
Fish are tested all the time........It's just too easy for the ECO-FREAKS to blame the fishermen...
I've had chats with anti-gillnet folks...I offered to take them fishing to show them gill nets are nowhere near as bad as the post on the internet.......They refused to go.......Only saying, they'll NEVER change there mind..........Thats pure Ignorance........

[ChrisS]

I've never heard of High Mercury Levels in Crabs.....But when Mercury Levels get high in King Mackerel and Swordfish, they can shut the fishery down.......Is this what your asking?
Fish are tested all the time........It's just too easy for the ECO-FREAKS to blame the fishermen...
I've had chats with anti-gillnet folks...I offered to take them fishing to show them gill nets are nowhere near as bad as the post on the internet.......They refused to go.......Only saying, they'll NEVER change there mind..........Thats pure Ignorance........

I dont recall mentioning anything about crabs.

as well, Im not against anything, Gene.

[ChrisS]

Do you feel you should be held liable if what your harvesting may not be safe for human consumption?

[genecrabman]

So, its not ok to sell your (collectivly) harvest?

OK, Now your changing to selling Polluted Crabs....I don't sell Polluted crabs, I thow em back for Ray to catch and sell.....

Many Factors have to work for Crabs to come into the Bay as well as our Sounds here in N.C....Crappy water is the main reason for them NOT coming into either one...Thats what I'm try to say....

[ChrisS]

Not just civil, but perhaps criminally liable, because you are aware that your selling harvests from polluted waters.

Just playing devil's advocate......but those may be some ramifications if pulling the "pollution card".

[ChrisS]

OK, Now your changing to selling Polluted Crabs....I don't sell Polluted crabs

Hence, the word "collective". As not to imply your selling polluted crabs, but rather painting broadly.....that many others may be.

[genecrabman]

Now just civil, but perhaps criminally liable, because you are aware that your selling harvests from polluted waters.

Just playing devil's advocate......but those may be some ramifications if pulling the "pollution card".

OK, Should I test them or would you rather Obama Have a Seafood Mercury Testing CZAR do it?
BTW, do you check all the zerk fitting everyday to ensure no grease leaks out of you BobCat and onto the shore lines of the  Chesapeake Bay..Might be a good time to check em now..

[Dreampixels]

I've never heard of High Mercury Levels in Crabs.....But when Mercury Levels get high in King Mackerel and Swordfish, they can shut the fishery down.......Is this what your asking?
Fish are tested all the time........It's just too easy for the ECO-FREAKS to blame the fishermen...
I've had chats with anti-gillnet folks...I offered to take them fishing to show them gill nets are nowhere near as bad as the post on the internet.......They refused to go.......Only saying, they'll NEVER change there mind..........Thats pure Ignorance........

The mind which is set is not the one you want to try to change - it is the one on the fence - set minds are final and closed - the fence minds are open and questioning - they can be changed.

[rdbeard]

Comm fishermen sell their products in accordance with local laws already. if the epa or some other agency says you can't sell crabs or any other seafood because of polluted water or contamination then that's the law and if you sell then you would be responseable for your actions. pollution that harms the bay make it difficult at best for reproducion and rearing to maturity alot of things that grow in the bay. if the bay was clean or even close to clean we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[ChrisS]

pollution that harms the bay make it difficult at best for reproducion and rearing to maturity alot of things that grow in the bay. if the bay was clean or even close to clean we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I agree.......pollution hinders the rebuilding of stock....but fishing (commercially and recreationally) depletes existing stock and Nature just cant reproduce in the harsh conditions fast enough.

[rdbeard]

Well there you go, so the plan is to continue to pollute at breakneck speedand keep cutting harvest because thats the easyest thing to control and in the end have little or no crabs and fish due to what? Oysters will die off due to diease after3-5 years evn in semi clean water, crabs only live 3-5 years max. ti begin with so what should we do clean the bay. no .... more restrictions.

[ChrisS]

Well.....whats yours.......continue to deplete knowing full well its unsustainable?

[rdbeard]

Well poluttion will kill them all in the end not the watermen. if a resource is not profitale enough to make money they will leave it alone and move on to something they can make a living on.

[Ronster]

Well.....whats yours.......continue to deplete knowing full well its unsustainable?

Sounds like we are talking about the world's oil reserves.   

[ChrisS]

I just think it may be in your best interest to define the word "Pollution" before using it haphazardly to describe the environment you (collectively) harvest your "product to market" from.....but, thats just my opinion.

All your ideas/opinions have merit, and I'm not trying to discredit any of them.

[rdbeard]

 I'm talking about ALL pollution and the worst, sewage over flows, treated dischare from waste water plants that deposit straight nitrogen into the bay,farm runoff that carries fetilizers and sediment. lawn runoff that carries nitrogen into the bay, stormwater runoff from conventional runoff systems. and ofcourse chemical pollutants that have been decreased mostly by now exept for whats in the system already. society is and will be unwilling to change what needs to be changed for a long time. so i really don't understand why i should be worried about defining pollution as it pertains to what is havested for consumpion by the public by me or anyone else.

[ChrisS]

I'm talking about ALL pollution and the worst, sewage over flows, treated dischare from waste water plants that deposit straight nitrogen into the bay,farm runoff that carries fetilizers and sediment. lawn runoff that carries nitrogen into the bay, stormwater runoff from conventional runoff systems. and ofcourse chemical pollutants that have been decreased mostly by now exept for whats in the system already. society is and will be unwilling to change what needs to be changed for a long time. so i really don't understand why i should be worried about defining pollution as it pertains to what is havested for consumpion by the public by me or anyone else.

...because your claiming the water is unfit, and killing the creatures that inhabit it, but your harvesting and selling from it the same creatures dying in it.

Once you get sued, you'll change your mind......and the EPA aint gonna save you. They claim the water is clean, but recommend you dont do not consume.....and it only takes one customer.

....but, thats all I have to say about it.

[rdbeard]

Come on Chris you know better than that. all the things i said lead to dead zones unfit for crabs and fish alike. it also leads to less and less SUV's where the juvienles live and grow, you know that alage blooms decimate the bay more and more each year yet you just keep worring about me and othersgetting sued for havesting legal healthy crabs. Is it because of your profesion and it's relationship to over development. almost the same comparison.

[ChrisS]

I understand..........I appreciate the spirited debate.
Gives us all something to think about.

[rdbeard]

Agreed, it's not my fault or your fault it's everybody's fault. Maybe all the restrictions put on the comm. fisheries would make more sense if regulators and goverment would really do something significant to help the bay. Really there could never be enough oyster and alewives to filter enoughbay water at this point.

[Dreampixels]

Agreed, it's not my fault or your fault it's everybody's fault. Maybe all the restrictions put on the comm. fisheries would make more sense if regulators and goverment would really do something significant to help the bay. Really there could never be enough oyster and alewives to filter enoughbay water at this point.

Total agreement. It is over population in the effected area, this includes the entire watershed. For that matter the entire East Coast. I have a strong fear better is not the way the cards will fall any time soon.