Policy to conserve female crabs

[genecrabman]

Total agreement. It is over population in the effected area, this includes the entire watershed. For that matter the entire East Coast. I have a strong fear better is not the way the cards will fall any time soon.

OK, Please Understand that I'm posting what I "THINK" ChrisS would say...........
 
SO YOUR SAYING WHAT WE NEED IS A TSUNAMI TO WIPE OUT THE ENTIRE EAST COAST? THEN EVERYTHING WOULD BE OK?...........   ANY YOUR SEAFOOD WOULD STILL BE FULL OF MERCURY.....

[ChrisS]

Gene,
If the fate of commercial fisheries was put up for popular vote, you'd be out of a job. You'd better open your eyes and start becoming more diplomatic, because changes are coming and your not gonna be on the positive side of these changes.

I know you used to be a waterman on the Chesapeake and I respect that, but you no longer are and in the long run, watermen of the Chesapeake are not going to benefit from wildcats not unlike yourself, making matters worse for them. Real watermen, not those coasting the net all day long. (respectfully)

I have the utmost respect for commercial fishermen, including yourself........but, there are commercial fishermen and then there are slobs. Whichever one describes you best will decide the fate of an industry for so many.

jmo

[ChrisS]

We both want the same thing, just different paths to get there.....and again, I don't have any more to say as I feel your incapable of debating without becoming callow.
 

[genecrabman]

Gene,
If the fate of commercial fisheries was put up for popular vote, you'd be out of a job. You'd better open your eyes and start becoming more diplomatic, because changes are coming and your not gonna be on the positive side of these changes.

I know you used to be a waterman on the Chesapeake and I respect that, but you no longer are and in the long run, watermen of the Chesapeake are not going to benefit from wildcats not unlike yourself, making matters worse for them. Real watermen, not those coasting the net all day long. (respectfully)

I have the utmost respect for commercial fishermen, including yourself........but, there are commercial fishermen and then there are slobs. Whichever one describes you best will decide the fate of an industry for so many.

jmo

That was a @#@!@ comment or just a Jerk Comment Chris.......Which ever fits you Best/or both..Now we can be even on the Name Calling..
I don't understand people that run trenchers or bobcats that think Watermen really give a [dang] about how much your guys think or respect them........Most of you would love to see the Watermen fun out of business, just to be out of your way...
You can be sure I'll never comment to you again, that for sure.It not worth me wasting my time to help try to educate you a little bit, your happy just being ignorant to the watermen outlook,and only want to bash them.......Nuff Said.....Have a great day...

[ChrisS]

Im fine with that, Gene.
 

I own alot of things, one of which is a skidloader...........a couple of commercial licenses are some others that come to mind.

 You dont represent me.........just putting that on record.
 

[joecrabbr]

Gene..... If you make a run up north again this year count me in for a few bushel of some of your "polluted crabs" !!!LOL You usually do that late Nov right?

[Wolfetone]

And BONEHEADS like you always blame the comm. fisheries when the real problem is too many people making too much pollution from everything to green lawns to over development. for you BONEHEADS to live in nice houses by the water.

There is not one problem, there are many problems and overfishing of certain species is one of them. Other problems include lawn fertilizer, industrial dumping, farm run off, municipal sewage, and overdevelopment.

I only blame the commercial fisherman with regard to the take of the product that is available. There are only a certain number of each species of fish, a certain number of crab, and a certain number of oysters. If the total catch by commercial and recreational fisherman exceeds the abilty of a species to reproduce and sustain or grow the population, than restrictions need to be put in place.

[Dreampixels]

There is not one problem, there are many problems and overfishing of certain species is one of them. Other problems include lawn fertilizer, industrial dumping, farm run off, municipal sewage, and overdevelopment.

I only blame the commercial fisherman with regard to the take of the product that is available. There are only a certain number of each species of fish, a certain number of crab, and a certain number of oysters. If the total catch by commercial and recreational fisherman exceeds the abilty of a species to reproduce and sustain or grow the population, than restrictions need to be put in place.

A much too sensible explanation to be popular................please go to the the rear of the line............... Certainly blaming it on everyone is not going to work, pick a group of people for what ever reason and then all the others will rally around you.

You would not make a good politician 

[genecrabman]

A much too sensible explanation to be popular................please go to the the rear of the line............... Certainly blaming it on everyone is not going to work, pick a group of people for what ever reason and then all the others will rally around you.

You would not make a good politician 

WOW, I almost agree with his entire statement too......He's SMOOTH................... ;
Until Maryland has a way to count the pounds of seafood sold Commercially, they'll know know whats being caught or not caught.Thats Marylands Biggest problem, the numbers are fudged...

[genecrabman]

Gene..... If you make a run up north again this year count me in for a few bushel of some of your "polluted crabs" !!!LOL You usually do that late Nov right?

We are being "OVER-RUN" by Females right now, I had 50 baskets of em today and only 1 Bushel of Jimmies......starting to think the Jimmies are Over harvested in N.C.............
If the jimmies pick up in a few weeks, I'd love to make a Crab Run...I'll stay in touch..

[gentlecowboy]

I love the discussions on here.  Let's talk about bait.  Next year Virginia will band the recreational taking of herring as of January 1.  Is this due to commericial or recreational overfishing?   Being a retired Hydrologist, I'd say it might be due to the fact that Virginia stocked the James River years ago with Blue Catfish.  This is not a native fish.  Wonder how many shad and herring a 40 lb catfish eats each day?  These fish breed heavily and have now moved into all the other rivers in Virginia.  With no native preditor except fishermen, how do you solve this problem.  Trust me, any government solution would be dangerous.  If  you catch one, don't throw it back....

[Big Liar]

Bait - We need to come up with some new bait options for trotliners.  Bull lips are now $110 for a 60lb box.  It's now priced too high from crabbers to use.  Chicken necks have gone up by 60% in the last couple of years.  Clams are still priced ok, but I'm affraid there will be a shortage of them within a few years if everyone only uses them.   We need some other new trash meat to use?

[rdbeard]

I'd suggest polititians and DNR regulaters but i think the y would stink too bad and pollute the bay even more. besides crabs don't like rotten meat.

[ChrisS]

Bait - We need to come up with some new bait options for trotliners.  Bull lips are now $110 for a 60lb box.  It's now priced too high from crabbers to use.  Chicken necks have gone up by 60% in the last couple of years.  Clams are still priced ok, but I'm affraid there will be a shortage of them within a few years if everyone only uses them.   We need some other new trash meat to use?

Cow nosed Rays.

[genecrabman]

I'd suggest polititians and DNR regulaters but i think the y would stink too bad and pollute the bay even more. besides crabs don't like rotten meat.

Wouldn't that make em polluted?

[big red]

why does it always have to be overharvesting........oh I know , the tree huggin yahoos read an article in the balt sun that told them so....as far as oysters go I can tell you for a fact that the more boats that work the oyster rock the more the shells get cleaned,,the cleaner the shells, the bigger the spat set.....the proof is in the puddin, here in the tangier sound there have been 10x  to 20x the oyster boats working the grounds since the state opened more dredge bottom 10 or so years ago   ,,,,  .... and guess what we have more oysters than we had 30 years ago      so your overharvesting bull can be covered up with a bucket of dirt from the skid loader

[Crabby Captn John]

why does it always have to be overharvesting........oh I know , the tree huggin yahoos read an article in the balt sun that told them so....as far as oysters go I can tell you for a fact that the more boats that work the oyster rock the more the shells get cleaned,,the cleaner the shells, the bigger the spat set.....the proof is in the puddin, here in the tangier sound there have been 10x  to 20x the oyster boats working the grounds since the state opened more dredge bottom 10 or so years ago   ,,,,  .... and guess what we have more oysters than we had 30 years ago      so your overharvesting bull can be covered up with a bucket of dirt from the skid loader

Great to hear your thoughts on the oyster harvests. I believe 'over-harvesting' is tough to happen, not impossible but difficult. If any resourse declines prices go up 1st. Then it still becomes too costly to harvest and the weaker commercials go out of business and recs do not find enough enjoyment. With fewer harvesting the resource comes back but the commercial operators that left find themselves out of the market due to other interests or the cost to re-enter is prohibitive. Even as rec guys come back there will fewer of them for at least a generation giving more time for the recovery. Just my therory.....

[genecrabman]

why does it always have to be overharvesting........oh I know , the tree huggin yahoos read an article in the balt sun that told them so....as far as oysters go I can tell you for a fact that the more boats that work the oyster rock the more the shells get cleaned,,the cleaner the shells, the bigger the spat set.....the proof is in the puddin, here in the tangier sound there have been 10x  to 20x the oyster boats working the grounds since the state opened more dredge bottom 10 or so years ago   ,,,,  .... and guess what we have more oysters than we had 30 years ago      so your overharvesting bull can be covered up with a bucket of dirt from the skid loader

 

[flounderpounder]

Bait - We need to come up with some new bait options for trotliners.  Bull lips are now $110 for a 60lb box.  It's now priced too high from crabbers to use.  Chicken necks have gone up by 60% in the last couple of years.  Clams are still priced ok, but I'm affraid there will be a shortage of them within a few years if everyone only uses them.   We need some other new trash meat to use?

$14-18 for 40 lbs of necks.....how cheap did they used to be? free?

[mdjohn]

$14-18 for 40 lbs of necks.....how cheap did they used to be? free?

I remember $7 at maryland chicken

and was that for 40 pounds or 70 pounds

it was heavy as [Sam Hill]
 

[Big Liar]

$14-18 for 40 lbs of necks.....how cheap did they used to be? free?

If it were still $18, that would be great.  It's been $25 for 40lb all year long.  I'll bet you it will be $30 atleast starting next year.

[rdbeard]

FP is quoating prices from pensultucky. So if he buys in bulk and sells them here for 20 per 40.......Na that wouldn't work either.