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« on: October 26, 2011, 08:33:52 PM »
used for $400. the price is negotiable. Anyone have any pros or cons for this gun? I'm currently shooting a Remington 870 but I would like to be able to shoot 3 1/2 for geese and have a better second shot chance for ducks.
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2011, 08:39:16 PM »
I've had some issues with the shotgun not cycling. I was not impressed at all with it.....however, I didnt buy another one to see if it was just that shotgun or all of them....so it could have been an issue with mine.
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2011, 08:52:51 PM »
i have an 11-87 supermag....use it for everything....its a lil heavy if you wanna carry it for rabbits and such but a great gun for 400 bucks...just dont buy the cheapest shells you can find and it will cycle all of them...i use the nitromags for doves...not the $5 a box kind and that cured any jamming from cheap shells...never had a jam with any high brass and I have used it for 5 seasons now...rabbit..dove..ducks..geese...fox.  on ly prob I ever had was when loading ( with gloves) when the shell went in it did not clear the catch and went back under the plate...required a total gun breakdown...I did it in the field in about 10 mins but it did happen to me 3 different times Sad  dosent happen anymore as I pay more attention when loading now.
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2011, 08:57:20 PM »
I had issues with all types of shells, and sold the gun immediately after it jammed on a 3.5 T while goose hunting. Cleaning it was a PIA, too many parts......but again, it may have been just my particular gun.........as it appears alot of people love em and dont have many issues with them.
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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2011, 12:28:29 AM »


Can't say much on the 11-87 3.5 inch, but I can tell ya I have seen 11-87 Sporting Clay models literally shot to the point of rebuild - some on the moving parts were as thin as razor blades - mine has never failed me and I shoot a reduced load - I can shoot a few hundred rounds with out problems and no cleaning - but yes you do need to clean them - O rings are very important.
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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2011, 07:12:16 AM »
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i have an 11-87 supermag....use it for everything....its a lil heavy if you wanna carry it for rabbits and such but a great gun for 400 bucks...just dont buy the cheapest shells you can find and it will cycle all of them...i use the nitromags for doves...not the $5 a box kind and that cured any jamming from cheap shells...never had a jam with any high brass and I have used it for 5 seasons now...rabbit..dove..ducks..geese...fox.  on ly prob I ever had was when loading ( with gloves) when the shell went in it did not clear the catch and went back under the plate...required a total gun breakdown...I did it in the field in about 10 mins but it did happen to me 3 different times Sad  dosent happen anymore as I pay more attention when loading now.
I found this interesting.  Always refered to high brass as being higher powered, a hand me down from my Dad.  That was until I got into reloading.... Wink

"All manufacturers load shotshells of the various types to similar chamber pressure levels, and how high the brass extends up on the body of the case has absolutely no bearing on strength. Modern plastic hulls are strong enough to withstand the relatively low chamber pressures to which shotshells are loaded even if they have no brass at all. The ACTIV hull, which is of virtually all-plastic construction, is a good example of how true this is; the only metal it contains is a thin disc imbedded in its head to prevent the extractor of a gun from ripping through its thin plastic rim. High-brass hulls, low-brass hulls, no-brass hulls, there really is no practical difference in their ability to withstand chamber pressures during firing."
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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2011, 10:29:57 AM »

I believe the idea of High Brass and Low Brass came simply from a Quick Identification Process for High Power and Low Power Loads - zingers are fun and will happen in sub-gauges faster then a 12 gauge. The hull has little if anything to do with with the power of a shot - it simply provides a simple, clean and fast loading and reloading method - give the muzzle loader some thoughts, no hulls and if made of the same strength steel their loads could be of the same pressures.

A Zinger happens often in a 410 - that is when you fire the shot, open the action and only find the brass - the rest of the it went down range with the shot. Zingers are when the hull weakens enuff it separates right above the brass.
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2011, 03:30:42 PM »
ive never seen a 3.5" shell or anything above target/dove load with low brass on it....hmmmmm
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2011, 04:42:57 PM »
If you can afford to wait. then save your money and get a browning or better... benelli's are sweet.. but I totally understand the cost issue on them... you might be able to find a used browning for not much more... than the remington...I use a BPS 10 gauge and it is awesome goose and duck gun.....the 12 gauge  3 1/2 are not far behind the 10 in amount of shot and range....  everyone in my club all run Benelli or brownings. 12 3 1/2 .. I'm the only one who runs run a 10 BPS pump.. I don't mind the pump... semi auto's on long shells lead to occasional jams.... just my observation.....it is all in what you want and cost..
but I would always advise to buy the best you can afford... otherwise you wil just end up trading or seling it down the road to get what you really want...
I would rather buy the best I can and keep it...
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2011, 07:27:57 PM »
two of the guy i hunt with have benelli's. I wont be able to afford one any time soon. My other friend has a mossberg 935 but I looked around online and they've been bashed so hard I wouldn't want to risk it.

as for the 10 gauge I hunt wood ducks, bufflehead, and teal occasionally and i just feel like it would be overkill.
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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2011, 07:34:37 PM »
If you get one of the 3.5" Benelli's, get a recoil reducer put in the stock. They tend to be a little hard on the shoulder.
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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2011, 08:24:28 PM »
I heard 10 gauges are for people that dont know how to shoot ... is that true dog?
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2011, 04:53:36 PM »
I hear the orings go in the 1187's and the 1100's.  Easy to fix but just a pain.  My friends gun is having this problem now.  Shoots fine but it just won't let the action cycle back to eject the shell. 

In the gun shop about two weeks ago, I saw an IMMACULATE 1187 for $900.........
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2011, 05:32:50 PM »
 interesting

The 50 Best Shotguns Ever Made per field and stream

http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/guns/shotguns/shotgun-reviews/2007/11/50-best-shotguns-ever-made

11-87

http://www.gundigest.com/article/Gun-Review-Model-11-87-Sportsman-Field
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2011, 05:38:06 PM »
Wow!

11-87 didnt even make it in the top 50, but the 835 did Huh.......maybe it just wasnt my gun.
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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2011, 05:56:03 PM »
check out this russian made Remington SPR 453

3.5 inch shells

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bA5JFrHRTU

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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2011, 09:11:53 PM »
for the field and stream to 50 best guns overall it lists the remington 1100 as the fourth losing to only the winchester model 12 as far as shotguns go...
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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2011, 09:38:38 PM »
offered the guy 300 to start. not sure how it will work out as he lives in new kent virginia. anyone had experience purchasing shotguns out of state or having them shipped to an in state dealer?
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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2011, 08:12:20 AM »
Quote from: cullenw08 on October 28, 2011, 09:38:38 PM
offered the guy 300 to start. not sure how it will work out as he lives in new kent virginia. anyone had experience purchasing shotguns out of state or having them shipped to an in state dealer?
In VA you can only sell/buy a gun from/to a private citizen that also lives in VA.  The seller would have to ship the gun to a FFL dealer in MD. That dealer would do the transfer paper work.  FFL's usually charge about 25 bucks to do the paper work.  You need to send the seller a copy of your dealers FFL.
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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2011, 01:06:48 PM »
Quote from: CrabDog on October 27, 2011, 04:42:57 PM
If you can afford to wait. then save your money and get a browning or better... benelli's are sweet.. but I totally understand the cost issue on them... you might be able to find a used browning for not much more... than the remington...I use a BPS 10 gauge and it is awesome goose and duck gun.....the 12 gauge  3 1/2 are not far behind the 10 in amount of shot and range....  everyone in my club all run Benelli or brownings. 12 3 1/2 .. I'm the only one who runs run a 10 BPS pump.. I don't mind the pump... semi auto's on long shells lead to occasional jams.... just my observation.....it is all in what you want and cost..
but I would always advise to buy the best you can afford... otherwise you wil just end up trading or seling it down the road to get what you really want...
I would rather buy the best I can and keep it...

I love my 10 bores for geese. They are a little slow swinging on ducks, but they do kill. I have a Marlin Super Goose, a BPS 10 and a Gold 10. The gold is a sweetheart! I have only had one issue with it not cycling, it was dirty and just needed cleaning. Overall, I have never been let down by any of my Brownings.
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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2011, 01:31:46 PM »
Quote from: flounderpounder on October 27, 2011, 08:24:28 PM
I heard 10 gauges are for people that dont know how to shoot ... is that true dog?


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Uh yeah Whatever.... anytime you want to go head to head trap, skeet, sporting clays, black powder rifle etc etc.... let me know.......  Angry

10 gauge is because originally when they went to non toxic shot 12 gauge steel just did not take down birds period... ended up crippling a lot... so most guys went to 10 gauges... long before 12 gauge super mags 3 1/2 came on the market or non toxic shots like heavi shot heavy steel and other bismuth, tungsteen type ammo....I have taken ducsks and geese and deer with 12 gauge 2 3/4 - 3 inch rounds many times.....and some with 20 gauges shoots.......
Of course you would have been playing with your GI Joes and Ken dolls when all that was going on FP...... while I was out in the field... Wink Grin
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The only reason for 10 gauges is because 4 and 8 gauges have been outlawed for hunting Grin
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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2011, 01:59:44 PM »
Decoying geese, 12 gauge 3"bb.

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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2011, 02:10:04 PM »
10 guage lead BBs were death on geese back in the '70s and early '80s. I like T's for pass shooting now. They have come a long way with the steel loads.
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« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2011, 02:14:12 PM »
10ga lead BB would kill an elephant.

Too much gun!
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