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« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2011, 09:23:18 AM » |
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The larger of the two was 47 lbs. Didn't weigh the other one. They were both young of the year by looking at their teeth. From what the guys that saw the two last week say, these are one about half as big as one of the two they saw then.
We have seen less foxes this year.......don't know if there is a direct connection there or not??
The 1st thing they do is kill foxes. When they first showed up along Deer creek all the fox disappeared like over night. |
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« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2011, 09:27:49 AM » |
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The 1st thing they do is kill foxes. When they first showed up along Deer creek all the fox disappeared like over night.
No they dont, Jack. Fox are as smart or smarter than coyotes. They are faster and smaller, and often coyotes dont bother with them unless its an easy kill.........they just push em out. Believe me, as a trapper, a fox isnt an easy kill and to a coyote, there are much easier things to fill they're belly than a quick nasty tasting fox. Fox just move out of their way, and move back in where they can. |
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« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2011, 09:33:07 AM » |
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Im not sure your reasoning here, Jack.....you want fox gone, but you like yotes when yotes are nothing more than larger fox......with larger bellies and larger mouths containing larger teeth.  |
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« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2011, 09:34:55 AM » |
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That's what I was told back in the 80's by a trapper. He was trapping beaver along the creek and fox on our farm. His claim was that they both feed on the same prey so the yotes seek out fox dens and kill off the foxes. Made sense to me back then and still does today.  |
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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2011, 09:41:30 AM » |
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except fox dont use dens all the time......If it were that easy, than ask your 80's trapper why he just didnt trap the dens himself. He'd of gotten all the foxes and the coyotes trying to get em.  |
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« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2011, 09:45:49 AM » |
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except fox dont use dens all the time......If it were that easy, than ask your 80's trapper why he just didnt trap the dens himself. He'd of gotten all the foxes and the coyotes trying to get em. He did. They were easy to find in the fields....  We stopped him from trapping in the area after he caught one of the dogs.  |
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« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2011, 09:54:09 AM » |
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He did. They were easy to find in the fields.... We stopped him from trapping in the area after he caught one of the dogs. Evidently, you like roaming your dogs.....not a good combination if you like coyotes as well. |
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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2011, 09:58:56 AM » |
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Speaking of dogs... I need to go run my Coyote killers before it starts to rain.  |
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« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2011, 09:59:29 AM » |
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Jack, I respect your stance on Coyotes. Its hard to change peoples' minds when then have one thing on it. In your spare time, do some reading on coyotes facts. There's a reason every state has a bounty on them and an open season all year round. Coyotes have there place, just not here. Like I said, this aint montana....or chicago.
p.s.....your dogs wouldnt last a minute against some coyotes.
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« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2011, 09:59:45 AM » |
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We have them too.Since first seeing and hearing them we haven't not even one Turkey. |
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« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2011, 10:19:16 AM » |
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We have them too.Since first seeing and hearing them we haven't not even one Turkey. Very interesting trend. Great pic ki. This may answer a mistery for me. I've heard some CRAZY sounds coming from the woods at night, and when i say CRAZY i mean CRAZY sounds. I've only heard them the past 3 yrs. I live about 9 miles from the bay in AA county. |
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« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2011, 10:21:25 AM » |
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Could be anything......fox....yotes.....sika deer....Owls.
Most crazy sounds are usually owls....but foxes make some as well.
Fox can sound like screaming kids....or high squeal-like barks.......but, again, so can owls.
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« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2011, 10:46:08 AM » |
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Even furry alligators that some people call Chessies don't stand a chance against coyotes. They are welll tuned killing machines. They do it for a living  . Domestcated animals, while some being less worthy as pets than others, are not used to killing everyday to stay alive. |
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« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2011, 11:03:12 AM » |
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Could be anything......fox....yotes.....sika deer....Owls.
Most crazy sounds are usually owls....but foxes make some as well.
Fox can sound like screaming kids....or high squeal-like barks.......but, again, so can owls.
What ever it is, it puts a chill up your spine. One night i walked down to my wood pile to see if i could get a look. I suddenly heard it and i high tailed back to the house . It does sound like screaming kids and yetty are fighting. |
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« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2011, 11:06:41 AM » |
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What ever it is, it puts a chill up your spine. One night i walked down to my wood pile to see if i could get a look. I suddenly heard it and i high tailed back to the house . It does sound like screaming kids and yetty are fighting. Most likely a fox. The only sound more disturbing to me is a cougar. Just thinking about it makes the hair on my arms stand up. |
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« Reply #40 on: December 06, 2011, 11:26:40 AM » |
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Most likely a fox. The only sound more disturbing to me is a cougar. Just thinking about it makes the hair on my arms stand up.
Yea you get a bunch of drunk cougars at the bar, it can make the hair stand up for sure. |
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« Reply #41 on: December 06, 2011, 11:34:06 AM » |
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Had a situation like that once when I was a kid. It was so bad the old man grabbed his gun and a big light to check it out. He came back a few minutes later with a big grin on his face - said it was 2 skunks screwing! Could be a bobcat or something catching a rabbit. Rabbits make some ungodly screams and noises when something grabs them. |
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« Reply #42 on: December 06, 2011, 11:53:54 AM » |
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That stinks.... |
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« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2011, 12:30:54 PM » |
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Wow. 80-90 lb coyote? Now that's absurd. Keep shooting them.
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« Reply #44 on: December 06, 2011, 12:46:09 PM » |
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Wow. 80-90 lb coyote? Now that's absurd. Keep shooting them.
From what I have heard, The Eastern Coyotes have some wolf in them and that is where they get their size. I'm trying to learn more about them so that I can do more as far as controling their population.... I think I have found a new prey interest. My wife just texted me from a few miles away from where I killed these Saturday, she said there is one laying on the road dead, apparently hit by car.... |
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« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2011, 03:11:23 PM » |
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What county did you shoot the coyotes? If in Harford County would you please share the location.
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« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2011, 03:21:35 PM » |
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« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2011, 03:51:01 PM » |
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What county did you shoot the coyotes? If in Harford County would you please share the location.
They were in Balto Co. Near Hereford. I have seen them around the Jarrettsville area too, just haven't killed 'em there... |
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« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2011, 03:55:34 PM » |
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Word has it, they were released on APG to help cull the deer......yeah, that didnt work!  |
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« Reply #49 on: December 06, 2011, 04:04:30 PM » |
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Word has it, they were released on APG to help cull the deer......yeah, that didnt work! I had heard that Elkridge Harford Hunt Club had live trapped mountain lions and released them in northern Harford County too back in the '50s. I have seen cougars here on more than one occasion. Years ago I saw a documentary on the coyote's eastern movement. They said it wouldn't be long until they were in every county in the nation......Maybe APG decided to speed things along.... |
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