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« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2012, 12:47:35 PM »

What happens to all those females that don't find a mate?  Will they look somewhere else? We might see those 10" crabs soon, but they will be females.
They would not have time to go in search of. They can only be bred after their final molt between being an immature and a mature female. Once that 15-20 minute window is past, she cannot be bred. I would think it would be a good time to be a male crab in the bay right now! I wonder what the long term ramifications of this will be? Only the strong survive, a lot of the time in nature bigger= stronger. Are we in for a run of super crabs? Or will the lack of available suitors lead to a shallow and defective gene pool? If the male to female ratio gets too low, will this lead to inbreeding? (Sorry DP, it just aint right!!!)
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« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2012, 12:59:06 PM »

They would not have time to go in search of. They can only be bred after their final molt between being an immature and a mature female. Once that 15-20 minute window is past, she cannot be bred. I would think it would be a good time to be a male crab in the bay right now! I wonder what the long term ramifications of this will be? Only the strong survive, a lot of the time in nature bigger= stronger. Are we in for a run of super crabs? Or will the lack of available suitors lead to a shallow and defective gene pool? If the male to female ratio gets too low, will this lead to inbreeding? (Sorry DP, it just aint right!!!)

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« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2012, 01:04:20 PM »

They would not have time to go in search of. They can only be bred after their final molt between being an immature and a mature female. Once that 15-20 minute window is past, she cannot be bred. I would think it would be a good time to be a male crab in the bay right now! I wonder what the long term ramifications of this will be? Only the strong survive, a lot of the time in nature bigger= stronger. Are we in for a run of super crabs? Or will the lack of available suitors lead to a shallow and defective gene pool? If the male to female ratio gets too low, will this lead to inbreeding? (Sorry DP, it just aint right!!!)
I wonder when that is?  Huh  I had a Sook, that never had the opportunity to mate, shed.  I wonder how often this happens?  Huh Do unmated Sooks shed again and again?  Huh  Who knows....
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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2012, 01:05:46 PM »

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« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2012, 01:10:47 PM »

I wonder when that is?  Huh  I had a Sook, that never had the opportunity to mate, shed.  I wonder how often this happens?  Huh Do unmated Sooks shed again and again?  Huh  Who knows....


I've only caught a few Sook peelers..Very few of em ever shed, more die during the shedding process, than shed..
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« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2012, 01:15:31 PM »

Yeah, this one died also....  But it makes one wonder.  We know peelers release pheromones that's what makes them better Rockfish bait then soft crabs.  Maybe a shedding sook doesn't and would not attract a Jimmie. Again, who knows.  Huh
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« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2012, 01:16:30 PM »

I wonder when that is?  Huh  I had a Sook, that never had the opportunity to mate, shed.  I wonder how often this happens?  Huh Do unmated Sooks shed again and again?  Huh  Who knows....
  Jack,    That may happen quite a bit in the Rec Fishery...      Recs can only keep the male from the doubler and release the female peeler here in MD...     That brings up the question,  should both the males & female (doubler) be returned to breed???
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« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2012, 01:18:26 PM »

I wonder when that is?  Huh  I had a Sook, that never had the opportunity to mate, shed.  I wonder how often this happens?  Huh Do unmated Sooks shed again and again?  Huh  Who knows....
I have never seen a hard sook doubled up. I have never heard of a sook molting before either.....If the male is not present when she is soft, she is SOL if she wants to have youngins. How do you know that the sook that you had, that tried to shed, didn't have a chance to mate? Did you have her in captivity during her molt to maturity?
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« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2012, 01:18:59 PM »

Yeah, this one died also....  But it makes one wonder.  We know peelers release pheromones that's what makes them better Rockfish bait then soft crabs.  Maybe a shedding sook doesn't and would not attract a Jimmie. Again, who knows.  Huh

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« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2012, 01:21:03 PM »

Question:   I've caught doublers that were both males.....were they both trying to just feed on the  same  bait,  or were they shall we say, "confused"  ?
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« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2012, 01:22:40 PM »

I have never seen a hard sook doubled up. I have never heard of a sook molting before either.....If the male is not present when she is soft, she is SOL if she wants to have youngins. How do you know that the sook that you had, that tried to shed, didn't have a chance to mate? Did you have her in captivity during her molt to maturity?
http://www.bluecrab.info/forum/index.php/topic,39119.0.html

I had her from the time she was the size of a dime.
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« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2012, 03:28:38 PM »

I wonder when that is?  Huh  I had a Sook, that never had the opportunity to mate, shed.  I wonder how often this happens?  Huh Do unmated Sooks shed again and again?  Huh  Who knows....

Jack, that's a pretty good question. I don't believe very many females went unmated in the past, but with the projected unbalance in the male/female ratio that's probably going to change. Most of our intell about female spawning/mating actually came from the now defunct COMBS project. I don't believe the possibility of unmated females continuing to shed and possibly mate later was ever considered. A good subject for a later study - like we need more studies!
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« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2012, 07:30:07 PM »


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« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2012, 09:21:03 PM »

I never saw where the "Study" was made, that could make a BIG Difference in the ratio of Females to Males....Never trust a Study Group being funded my Taxpayer Money....They're all working for Job security... Wink

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« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2012, 10:43:45 AM »

It's funny it took a study to come to this conclusion.  I could have told them the same thing over 6 months ago for free.  I caught more doublers all year long last year. (trotlining)  We never had the big run of big Jimmy's in the fall and we were already blaming it on the number of female peelers.  Males don't feed nearly as much when they are doubled up.  When most of your catch of #1 come from doublers, you contribute it to a shed.  This normally happens maybe 1 week out of 5.  We had months of shed last year.
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« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2012, 02:21:19 PM »

I was told on this site that females mate more then once.  Maybe i will find out for sure today when the book beautiful swimmers arrives.

"Beautiful Swimmers" is a great read. My favorite Chapter is "Lester Lee and the Chicken Neckers", mostly because I've dealt with his family for over 30 years for bait, etc., and the trotline lay he describes in the book is just around the point from my house. Keep in mind that the book was written in 1976 and we have found significantly more scientific info about crabs in the last couple of years.
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« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2012, 01:43:12 PM »

Leave it up to you to take puppy love to a whole different level......


Man why must you guys always make a dig at the ole dog....... laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

we are talking about male to female crab ratio's... good grief........   I saw the story on channel 11 WBAL last week......it was greated with huge fanfare, but should it......? 
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« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2012, 02:04:11 PM »

I'm sure it'll all even out. If there get to be too many females they can always ease the catch restrictions. I'd rather have too many of everything then not enough.
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« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2012, 09:10:42 PM »

They would not have time to go in search of. They can only be bred after their final molt between being an immature and a mature female. Once that 15-20 minute window is past, she cannot be bred. I would think it would be a good time to be a male crab in the bay right now! I wonder what the long term ramifications of this will be? Only the strong survive, a lot of the time in nature bigger= stronger. Are we in for a run of super crabs? Or will the lack of available suitors lead to a shallow and defective gene pool? If the male to female ratio gets too low, will this lead to inbreeding? (Sorry DP, it just aint right!!!)

15-20min? .... read   http://www.bluecrab.info/mating. for the whole story.

We need more large Males to produce more crabs ie.... love juce, not more mates per jimmie. It takes a month to replentish ......
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