commerical guys read

[Dreampixels]

I'd assume.  They pay a very high out of state fee.  An LCC in MD is $60 a year.  I was told by a PA resident with an LCC his fee was about $450 a year. 

My TFL is $450 a year....I can't imagine what it would be in PA. 

Me tinks you was told correct - and quit stroking that [dang] fish

[Grizzly36]

Fine!! Im going to make like 20 trips to hershey park.

Dude, Dorney Park is waaaaay better!!!

[crewstation]

I may take some heat for this but I also say only let Marylanders fish our waters. No out of staters unless its on a pier (for family vacation purposes) This would apply to comms and recs fish your own waters or buy from our comms and if your caught in our water its an automatic 5k fine and a boat towage

So last year, my brother-in-law was dying of leukemia and needed a bone marrow transplant.  The best facility in the country, and one of the few who perform the process, was at Johns Hopkins.  Are you saying that we should have tried to find someone willing to attempt the procedure in NJ?  Or that we should have to buy a house in MD first so that YOUR resources now become OUR resources.  Or maybe he could go on vacation to MD, and get the transplant while he's on vacation.

[Dreampixels]

Stick around, ten years from now - same argument same players - aint' changed in all the years I've been here.

[crabbywaters]

The ghost of Milton Hershey will find you and make you suffer.

You've been warned...   

That's true..

[crewstation]

Stick around, ten years from now - same argument same players - aint' changed in all the years I've been here.

Just trying to show the young lad the error of his ways.

[soggybottomboyz]

No change in the rules. You just have to learn to read what is written and not assume.

Look
I don't have problem with any of you coming into Maryland, buying a Non Resident License and catching your bushel of crabs. (Although I think the limit should be 1 bushel every 7 days for a limit)

What I do have a problem with, is a non resident trying to interfere with Maryland's laws and Maryland's watermen. You, absolutely, have no rights or say in the way Maryland's DNR or Maryland's Legislature make rules or govern the state of Maryland.

If you want a say. take up residency.

As I have said in prior years when this discussion arises.  The state of Maryland invites me to her waters to crab via her regulations.  If the regulations should be changed, contact your elected officials.

[Crabslayer]

Dang, I ate all my popcorn.  Can you guy's wait til I pop another batch. 

[capt. ron]

WOW  computer has been down.  Had a lot of reading to catch up on.

MY QUESTION IS=====ARE Y'ALL TALKING ABOUT LOUISIANA OR MARYLAND?

Seems like I've heard this before.

Ronnie

[crabman1969]

So last year, my brother-in-law was dying of leukemia and needed a bone marrow transplant.  The best facility in the country, and one of the few who perform the process, was at Johns Hopkins.  Are you saying that we should have tried to find someone willing to attempt the procedure in NJ?  Or that we should have to buy a house in MD first so that YOUR resources now become OUR resources.  Or maybe he could go on vacation to MD, and get the transplant while he's on vacation.

  I myself as a lifelong marylander have no problem with out of staters coming to maryland waters and crabbing. They pay there fees and deserve the opportunity to crab just as much as anyone else including comm. crabbers.  At most what are they gonna take 1 or 1 and half bushels once a week like most rec. crabbers.

[tugcapt]

Stick around, ten years from now - same argument same players - aint' changed in all the years I've been here.

Almost like a tide that happens every three months. 

[mdjohn]

I got no problem wit you comin down and catching crabs

as long as I get ma juice, ya know what i mean, da vig

axe a jersey boy to tell ya

 

[capt. ron]

I have a few questions.  How many states border the Chesapeake Bay?  Ok don't laugh. I had to find how to spell Chesapeake much less know how many states. Take me out the woods and I'm lost.

Do the surronding states share information on the crabbing industry?
Does each state regulate their commercial and recreational license holders?
Since there are no lines drawn on the water,  can a commercial or recreational crabber cross state lines?
Who enforces the regulations on the waters and for which state?

Ronnie

[crewstation]

  I myself as a lifelong marylander have no problem with out of staters coming to maryland waters and crabbing. They pay there fees and deserve the opportunity to crab just as much as anyone else including comm. crabbers.  At most what are they gonna take 1 or 1 and half bushels once a week like most rec. crabbers.

Doesn't surprise me to hear you say this.  You have posted about how you pick up trash, obey the regs, and try to help other fishermen, to name a few things.  In essence, respect the land, respect the others who use it, and respect the fishery.  To me, there are two types of people - those who do that, and those who don't.  The argument should not be about rec vs. comm, or resident vs. non-resident, it should be about those that respect, and those who do not.  End of story.

[Dreampixels]

Doesn't surprise me to hear you say this.  You have posted about how you pick up trash, obey the regs, and try to help other fishermen, to name a few things.  In essence, respect the land, respect the others who use it, and respect the fishery.  To me, there are two types of people - those who do that, and those who don't.  The argument should not be about rec vs. comm, or resident vs. non-resident, it should be about those that respect, and those who do not.  End of story.

Remember your on a crabbing forum applying sense could be hazardous.

[crewstation]

What was I thinking?   

[Seaweed]

  I myself as a lifelong marylander have no problem with out of staters coming to maryland waters and crabbing. They pay there fees and deserve the opportunity to crab just as much as anyone else including comm. crabbers.  At most what are they gonna take 1 or 1 and half bushels once a week like most rec. crabbers.

We see this argument all the time about "how many can they possibly take"?  1 or 1.5 bushels.  Doesn't seem like much until you realize that 95,000 recreational licenses were issued last year.  And thats 95,000 people that don't have to report anything regarding how many crabs they caught.  So that little "spit into the ocean" mentality is what makes people upset, since the state has NO IDEA how many crabs are being harvested recreationally.

For fun, let's just say "most rec crabbers" as you reference above take the referenced 1 bushel/week just over june, july, august, and sept. 16 weeks x 1 bu/week = 16 bu for the season x avg 75 crabs/bushel = 1200 crabs for the season.  Now lets say that only half of the 95,000 licenses are active.  47,500 licenses x 1200 crabs/license = 57,000,000 crabs.  Add a factor of safety of 3: 19 million crabs.  Even a factor of safety of 10, still gives you 6 million crabs. So even by taking very conservative estimates on quantities, you can see that it adds up to a lot more than most people realize.

[jack1747]

I have a few questions.  How many states border the Chesapeake Bay?  Ok don't laugh. I had to find how to spell Chesapeake much less know how many states. Take me out the woods and I'm lost.

MD and VA surround the Chesapeake Bay

Do the surronding states share information on the crabbing industry?
Yes
Does each state regulate their commercial and recreational license holders?
Yes
Since there are no lines drawn on the water,  can a commercial or recreational crabber cross state lines?
Not unless they have a license in that State
Who enforces the regulations on the waters and for which state?
MD - DNR  VA - VMRC  Potomac River - PRFC/VA/MD

Ronnie

[Crabslayer]

We see this argument all the time about "how many can they possibly take"?  1 or 1.5 bushels.  Doesn't seem like much until you realize that 95,000 recreational licenses were issued last year.  And thats 95,000 people that don't have to report anything regarding how many crabs they caught.  So that little "spit into the ocean" mentality is what makes people upset, since the state has NO IDEA how many crabs are being harvested recreationally.

For fun, let's just say "most rec crabbers" as you reference above take the referenced 1 bushel/week just over june, july, august, and sept. 16 weeks x 1 bu/week = 16 bu for the season x avg 75 crabs/bushel = 1200 crabs for the season.  Now lets say that only half of the 95,000 licenses are active.  47,500 licenses x 1200 crabs/license = 57,000,000 crabs.  Add a factor of safety of 3: 19 million crabs.  Even a factor of safety of 10, still gives you 6 million crabs. So even by taking very conservative estimates on quantities, you can see that it adds up to a lot more than most people realize.

Slow day at work? 

[Dreampixels]

The argument of Many Taking Few is a viable one. However with so much discontent towards Government of any kind and so many that profess to know more then others, HOW can any collected numbers be considered accurate.

Yes the Recs are strictly voluntary and the Comms are mandatory but the numbers are what ever either party wishes to claim they are.

Kinda like dem cash deals, they leave no paper trail and are really hard to follow.

[capt. ron]

Thanks Jack. 

Here Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries handle enforcement and biology on land as well as water.

Only problem here is the state legislature sets dates and limits.  Needless to say politics win.

Ronnie

[Crabbyd]

I have a few questions.  How many states border the Chesapeake Bay?  Ok don't laugh. I had to find how to spell Chesapeake much less know how many states. Take me out the woods and I'm lost.

Do the surronding states share information on the crabbing industry?
Does each state regulate their commercial and recreational license holders?
Since there are no lines drawn on the water,  can a commercial or recreational crabber cross state lines?
Who enforces the regulations on the waters and for which state?

Ronnie

ronnie

To answer your question about the number of states that border the bay, 2.  Md and Va.  Then you have PA that has the Susquehanna river that is one of the major contributors of fresh water into the bay and DE has a some rivers that flow from there into the bay.  MD and Va do seem to share some information and there is a bay coalition between MD, PA, DE and VA where the govs are supposed to work together for the bay.  As for regulations, I know MD comm can not cross the state line to work but that is a fine line also from what I hear.  I dont do any comm activities down there so I can not speak for sure.  I have heard rumors and stories about the border crossings.  Each state has their own regs and enforcement.  There is no single bay enforcements.

[tedbo]

  End of story.

Shucks! Another end to the story that never ends!

[Ronster]

This guy just hit me up through Bmail and said all this talk about the bay belonging to Maryland, the feds and/or the being a free public resource for all to use is hogwash.    He claims it belongs to his group.

Things just keep getting more convoluted and confusing by the minute...

[rdbeard]

DP there's no reason for comm. not to report correct numbers unless your not crabbing and want to look like you are. comm. reports are for statistic reasons only by law. It's against the law for them to give that info to anyone including the IRS. you also do not have to say what you do with your catch. they ask to say volentarly what you do with your catch, if you, sell to dealer sell to reasterants or direct to the public and the question starts with what portion of your catch do you sell or give away. I ve crabbed comm. for 10 years this year and all reports have been true even when the said they would base future crabs regs . on reported harvest. Once they said that some inactive feared losing their lic. and the rest is history.