Rec Crabber Beware II

[Domino]

Crabs are a natural resource and therefore belong to everyone, not just to the ones who profit from them.

I'll second that...

[crabologist]

Enforcement is not the issue of this thread. Organizing the recs so that we don't have regulations imposed upon us with no say in the matter is the issue of this thread. I see more regulations coming our way and if we don't do something about it then we are fools. It's time we started our own association to voice our opinions. Otherwise we will lose what privledges we have. I love taking kids out and watching their faces light up. Then later they all want to watch the steamer being loaded up and fired. And finally we all sit down and eat together. I remember what that was like and how much fun it was. Crabbing and crab feasts are a Maryland tradition. I'm going make sure kids always have that chance. Crabs are a natural resource and therefore belong to everyone, not just to the ones who profit from them.

Hear you loud and clear Greg and am with you 100 % !!

[jack1747]

Crabs are a natural resource and therefore belong to everyone, not just to the ones who profit from them.

The problem is, crabs like chicken are just something to eat for most folks.  We here, enjoy the life style, commie or rec.  The food is sweeter cause you have caught it, enjoyed a day on the water.  Follow the buck..  Everyone on the shore knows that the chicken houses are kill'n the bay but you wont change anything cause thats where the money is.  Other posts talk about how folks are saying, "WOW, now we got all this new enviromental stuff showing up..."  Give me a break.  Dump [shiz] in the bay.... you harvest [shiz]...   

I know I am off topic...  But u guys need to read the "MD trib teams reports".  IT IS THE [dang] POLUTION!  NOT THE COMMIES OR THE RECS!  It is the [dang] fert. that you put on your lawn.  It is the old communities that have no storm water management... The new to the enviroment, mini farms.  Just look around.  They got to have a horse but dont know what to do with the manur. Just look, they all got piles of it.  Where do you think the runoff goes?  Follow the buck.  Old developement, everything that washes off goes in the bay.  New developments, Storm water management, rain water filters......... Quit the [dang] bickering and fix the polution!  Yes there are to many people.  To many people trying to eat out of the bay.  Like shipping seafood all around the world out of the bay that probable was designed to feed the native population and provide a breeding ground for the whole east coast. 

[curd] I said I would not get into this........................

I hope I am wrong but I think you all are going to see a BIG crash in crabs in the CB this year...  Then everyones tune will change....

[catchincrabs]

The problem is, crabs like chicken are just something to eat for most folks.  We here, enjoy the life style, commie or rec.  The food is sweeter cause you have caught it, enjoyed a day on the water.  Follow the buck..  Everyone on the shore knows that the chicken houses are kill'n the bay but you wont change anything cause thats where the money is.  Other posts talk about how folks are saying, "WOW, now we got all this new enviromental stuff showing up..."  Give me a break.  Dump sh*t in the bay.... you harvest sh*t...   

I know I am off topic...  But u guys need to read the "MD trib teams reports".  IT IS THE darn POLUTION!  NOT THE COMMIES OR THE RECS!  It is the darn fert. that you put on your lawn.  It is the old communities that have no storm water management... The new to the enviroment, mini farms.  Just look around.  They got to have a horse but dont know what to do with the manur. Just look, they all got piles of it.  Where do you think the runoff goes?  Follow the buck.  Old developement, everything that washes off goes in the bay.  New developments, Storm water management, rain water filters......... Quit the darn bickering and fix the polution!  Yes there are to many people.  To many people trying to eat out of the bay.  Like shipping seafood all around the world out of the bay that probable was designed to feed the native population and provide a breeding ground for the whole east coast. 

[curd] I said I would not get into this........................

I hope I am wrong but I think you all are going to see a BIG crash in crabs in the CB this year...  Then everyones tune will change....

Jack. What makes you think there will be a crab crash? CC

[jack1747]

Jack. What makes you think there will be a crab crash? CC

End of last summer was a bust here on the shore...  Most gave up crab'n in August.  Normally they have tons of sooks as they migrate out of the creeks.  Plus there was a really late slough during cold water.  No sooks, no crabs.  Maybe this year or next.  Just based on seat of the pants crab and seeing lots of guys give up. Like I said I hope I am wrong but a lot of old time crab'ers are giving up.  Course that will change if'n the crabs are there come May... 

[catchincrabs]

Thanks Jack. The crabs seemed to be down south until august and then they came on really good up here. We usually see sooks from the end of august thru september. There were tons of sooks around here until the end of october. Maybe things are just changing up a bit. (I Hope) CC

[Crabbyd]

Raising the fee for non-residents isn't going to do darn thing either.  Just as many people will come to crab, they'll just be more pissed off about the increase in fee.

If legislation exists governing commercial rules, then I would think that if rec limits and rules are put in place and enforced, they also would require legislation.

Just what we need, more legislation and a side of red tape.

How much increase are they thinking about?  Let's think about it, Even if they raise it to $50/season,how many bushels would it take to get a return on  your investment.  How much does a bushel of Wye jumbos go for?  Raising the price will not lower the number of crabbers, it will just put more $'s into the state's pocket and would not fix what the comms are complaining about.

[F.I.sherman]

maybe we should reduce the number of comm crabbers and even have them have to fight each year for a license renewal.
right now its basically a monopoly and we should break that up.rec crabbers basically foot more money to the state than do comm crabbers.
after taking in the facts such as rec crabbers live in the state pay taxes,get charged for bay views,bring in tourism,and the fact rec crabbers are larger in numbers than comm crabbers.alot of people come to maryland for blue crabs and even more come in for a chance to try to catch some.I think if maryland wishes to mess with rec rules,they should just take out rec crabber licenses all together for one year then put that missed revenue burdon upon the comm crabbers who are upset at rec crabbing  to see just how much they will end up paying in the end.i would also expect during that time that the state no longer give grants to comm crabbers either,so the rec crabbers have one less bill by the goverment.
this would be a clean and solid message that without rec crabbers comm crabbers wouldnt make a dime.the rec crabbers are the biggest taxpayers and should not have to deal with stuff like this.
crabbing is not a garanteed job.its not like a auto mechanic or a plumber.
these are things that some comm crabbers need to take notice of before they even get thier license.

[R D]

would also expect during that time that the state no longer give grants to comm crabbers either,so the rec crabbers have one less bill by the goverment.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   MD gives your Comm. crabbers grants??  For what reason and to do what with???

[F.I.sherman]

i asume the grants go towards purchasing boats and equipment and what not.
theres grants for practically any kind of business out there.

[Islander]

i asume the grants go towards purchasing boats and equipment and what not.
theres grants for practically any kind of business out there.

I've never heard of Comm. crabbers getting state grants. You may want to check your facts and not make assumptions.

[F.I.sherman]

small business's get grants.
it dpends on how you go about it and how much you know about grants.
im sure i could dig up grants that some have probably gotten and which most probably dont even know about.

[mike2u]

LOL.. trust me there's grants out there for everything,, From cleaning houses,, to wiping your arse,, the GOV will give money for anything... You just have to be the right person they want.. Thats why it's all screwed up..

[R D]

Just wondering. Do you know if they are State grants or Fed. When we get grants for our little city here they are tied to a project or have to be spent on a single subject.

[captaincrab55]

Solomon,   That was a lot of words, but would like to see the math comparison to show the cost of combined rec lic to commercial lic figures...   Maybe plumbers  and mechanics should get in line every year to get a license too.     If they limited drivers License, the roads wouldn't be crowded....   All kidding aside, lets look at the math....

[Islander]

small business's get grants.
it dpends on how you go about it and how much you know about grants.
im sure i could dig up grants that some have probably gotten and which most probably dont even know about.

Let's try to stick to facts here and leave the "coulds" or "probablys" out of this discussion. This is a touchy subject and I for one don't think it will be resolved be guessing or assuming.

[R D]

This is what starts problems. You assumed that because grants are available to small businessYou have just posted a rumor that your tax $s are subsidizing Comm. crabbers.The grants that i know of for Comm. will come out of their own license fee's

[Seaweed]

maybe we should reduce the number of comm crabbers and even have them have to fight each year for a license renewal.
right now its basically a monopoly and we should break that up.rec crabbers basically foot more money to the state than do comm crabbers.
after taking in the facts such as rec crabbers live in the state pay taxes,get charged for bay views,bring in tourism,and the fact rec crabbers are larger in numbers than comm crabbers.alot of people come to maryland for blue crabs and even more come in for a chance to try to catch some.I think if maryland wishes to mess with rec rules,they should just take out rec crabber licenses all together for one year then put that missed revenue burdon upon the comm crabbers who are upset at rec crabbing  to see just how much they will end up paying in the end.i would also expect during that time that the state no longer give grants to comm crabbers either,so the rec crabbers have one less bill by the goverment.
this would be a clean and solid message that without rec crabbers comm crabbers wouldnt make a dime.the rec crabbers are the biggest taxpayers and should not have to deal with stuff like this.
crabbing is not a garanteed job.its not like a auto mechanic or a plumber.
these are things that some comm crabbers need to take notice of before they even get thier license.

If MD did pull all the rec licenses for a year, which they're never going to do, why would the missed revenue then be placed on commercial crabbers?  Commercial crabbers pay for their licenses and other fees just like rec crabbers, and its a lot more than $10.  Keep in mind that commercial fishermen also pay taxes and their boats and trucks run on the same outrageously expensive fuels that power the boats and trucks of recreational crabbers.

[Crabslayer]

Solomon, did you take the time to think about the direct and trickle down economy from commercial crabbing?  The businesses that they support i.e. Restaurants, crab houses, carry-outs and the number of employees it takes to run these businesses and the people who own them?  Just in the Tri-state area alone look how many places sell blue crabs.  The crab industry supports a lot of people and businesses which by the way generates revenue for the state.

[mike2u]

Ok Ok Ok .. I think it's time for a hug for everyone.. 

[Crabslayer]

Ok Ok Ok .. I think it's time for a hug for everyone.. 

I only hug trees!

[Seaweed]

I only hug trees!

  and how about that cat?

[Islander]

Ok Ok Ok .. I think it's time for a hug for everyone..

Mike, if you want a hug, I'm sure ST would be glad to help you!! 

[Domino]

If MD did pull all the rec licenses for a year, which they're never going to do, why would the missed revenue then be placed on commercial crabbers?  Commercial crabbers pay for their licenses and other fees just like rec crabbers, and its a lot more than $10.  Keep in mind that commercial fishermen also pay taxes and their boats and trucks run on the same outrageously expensive fuels that power the boats and trucks of recreational crabbers.

Make sure you deduct what you can for your cost of doing business...vehicle mileage, tolls, equipment, maintenance, fuel, etc.  I don't know exactly, but the list is probably quite big on what you can deduct.  Keep track and get credit for it.

[F.I.sherman]

"Keep in mind that commercial fishermen also pay taxes and their boats and trucks run on the same outrageously expensive fuels that power the boats and trucks of recreational crabbers."

yes,i did keep that in mind.the overall point being is alot of people move to this state because of the bay and thier use of it.
they pay property taxes,income taxes and so forth.if the rec licenses where pulled,then the state would have to make that money back up somewheres else.the ratio of rec users to comm users is alot.im not aiming at all comm'rs just the ones that think because of thier badluck during a year the burden shall fall on the rec crabbers.


"Solomon, did you take the time to think about the direct and trickle down economy from commercial crabbing?"

yea its something that in this economy doesnt work.by the time it trickles down the rest of the aspects have risen,cost of living.

"The businesses that they support i.e. Restaurants, crab houses, carry-outs and the number of employees it takes to run these businesses and the people who own them?  Just in the Tri-state area alone look how many places sell blue crabs.  The crab industry supports a lot of people and businesses which by the way generates revenue for the state."

im going to take a shot here and go ahead and safely say about 60-75 % of the crabs that go to crabhouses come from the carolinas and louisiana.thier cheaper by the bushel therefore profit margins are raised.

as for mike2u im done with the argueing now 

i've been living in maryland for about 30 years now and it just shames me to see what some people in the crabbing business will do to shift blame onto others.