Perfectionist vs Allerio Bros. Ring Traps

Logical1 · September 04, 2024, 09:14:24 PM

I have had many people ask me about Allerio vs Perfectionist Rings.

When I first started kayak crabbing I ordered a dozen Allerio Bros rings. They are very heavy but they were much better than the cotton Walmart rings. They worked for me, but I started working some of Adams (arti0972) Perfectionist rings. Much lighter and very well made. After several years I ordered another dozen Allerio s but in single ring. I added my own 9 gauge bottom ring to reduce the weight. At the time they came in I also got some of Jim's Perfectionist Rings. Started using them side by side in the same locations catching crabs.

When I was out last week I noticed some broken areas in my nets. Got home and rinsed everything off and let them air dry. I brought them in tonight and got out my tarred repair line and set out repairing the damage. What surprised me was how many areas I had to fix on the Allerio s vs the Perfectionist. Right now the Allerio s have easily 5 repairs per trap. Out of over a dozen Perfectionist rings I made 2 single spaced repairs total.

The quality of those rings are far superior to the Allerio rings.

Big Rad · September 04, 2024, 10:39:12 PM

When I purchased my Perf Rings I also received some mesh and line to make repairs

on the hook · September 08, 2024, 12:05:32 PM

He has the best ring traps that I've seen(other than my own lol Jim)...I make my own and have 30+ from winter that I might not get to try this year...I DID make these out of 1/4"gal hoop wire so they are heavier and need no weights added...Plus side is my thinking that it will take more current to flip these compared to my 100+ rings I've done out of 9ga.. All my 14" center(bait) rings are 9ga...I have yet to ever have to repair any string..I use #12 net and #18 drop lines, all tarred...I have lost a few that 'just wouldn't come up'....

Logical1 · September 08, 2024, 12:29:46 PM

Quote from: on the hook on September 08, 2024, 12:05:32 PMHe has the best ring traps that I've seen(other than my own lol Jim)...I make my own and have 30+ from winter that I might not get to try this year...I DID make these out of 1/4"gal hoop wire so they are heavier and need no weights added...Plus side is my thinking that it will take more current to flip these compared to my 100+ rings I've done out of 9ga.. All my 14" center(bait) rings are 9ga...I have yet to ever have to repair any string..I use #12 net and #18 drop lines, all tarred...I have lost a few that 'just wouldn't come up'....

For what I do, especially from a kayak Jim's rings work the best for me. Adam had him make some special that are a little bit deeper basket for kayak crabbers. It makes it easier to keep them in while pulling them up.

I have just had so many people asking about the comparison between Jim's Perfectionist rings and the Allerio rings, after going through my set and seeing the difference in repairs needed it was a good time to just put my observations in writing and post it here.

There is more to making good quality rings than most people realize. Jim has it down to an art. I know I can get rings cheaper, but like Adam pointed out " they just won't hold up or perform the way the Perfectionist rings do".

Johnny Boy · September 09, 2024, 06:08:19 PM

Have to agree with you that Perfectionist Rings are the best made and are easy to repair. I use 20 Perf. and also have 5 Allero which are well made but extremely heavy. I use them in deeper areas because the Allero is a deeper built ring, and the crab tends to stay in longer
I crab from a ponton boat, usually by myself, and the Perf. rings usually, as I pull them up, get behind the boat and will at times dump the crab out. Just have to pull fast.
Just my two cents!
Oh! Where has Perfectionist been?

Logical1 · September 10, 2024, 04:54:28 AM

Quote from: Johnny Boy on September 09, 2024, 06:08:19 PMHave to agree with you that Perfectionist Rings are the best made and are easy to repair. I use 20 Perf. and also have 5 Allero which are well made but extremely heavy. I use them in deeper areas because the Allero is a deeper built ring, and the crab tends to stay in longer
I crab from a ponton boat, usually by myself, and the Perf. rings usually, as I pull them up, get behind the boat and will at times dump the crab out. Just have to pull fast.
Just my two cents!
Oh! Where has Perfectionist been?

One thing I noticed was that the netting on my first Allerio s held up decently. The batch I got several years later the netting did not hold up nearly as well. I think they changed material. One thing I learned about Adam ( arti0972) was that he researched everything. Anything he used, there was a reason he used that brand, model or style. He said he used Allerio ( he was the one who told me about them) but when got his Perfectionist rings he gave all of his Allerio rings to a friend. He liked that the Perfectionist rings were lighter, worked better and took up less space on his kayak. I have to agree with him.

Jim (Perfectionist) is still around, just busy taking care of things. I am hoping he can make it to the Get Together this year.

kp1219 · December 15, 2024, 12:06:37 PM

How did my net do compared to Allerio and the Perfectionst net. I made one or two for you to try. If you remember please let me know.

Logical1 · December 16, 2024, 10:37:54 AM

Quote from: kp1219 on December 15, 2024, 12:06:37 PMHow did my net do compared to Allerio and the Perfectionst net. I made one or two for you to try. If you remember please let me know.

Kenneth, your rings have held up fine. I still have them and do take them out from time to time. Your rings are better than the Alerio Bros traps, hand down! The big difference between your and Jim's are the ring sizes and netting material. Jim has a larger outer ring with a smaller bottom ring. The ratio is very important so you don't get a cross over situation (Jim has done a lot of research to find that ratio of ring size and net depth to avoid the cross over). This also lends itself to being able to stack them very compactly which is important in a kayak. I did notice that the one you made with the white poly material did not seem to catch as well. Not sure if the color ( I have the best luck with a black tarred seine net material) or stiffness is at play here, which could also be different in another body of water. Where I have seen more traps with the same size rings are for the Dungeness crabs.

Wallco99 · December 16, 2024, 08:02:30 PM

Not exactly a raving review.
Moral of the story: STICK WITH JIM'S RINGS!!!

Logical1 · December 17, 2024, 08:38:21 AM

Quote from: Wallco99 on December 16, 2024, 08:02:30 PMNot exactly a raving review.
Moral of the story: STICK WITH JIM'S RINGS!!!

kp1219 sent me some of his custom made rings to try out and asked me to assess them. I did, they were well made and functional. He is from a different area and I am sure the conditions dictate the gear specifications. It is the same for us here, the conditions dictate the gear. Jim has developed rings over years of trial and error to get to his current version. Kenneth makes a very good ring that I am sure performs very well in his area. Of all the rings I have tried, Jim's Perfectionist rings work best for me from my kayak and the waters I crab in. Kenneth's rings would be my second choice if I couldn't get Jim's. And that is not a swipe at Kenneth, Jim's rings are simply designed for my area and the crabs I go after. Kenneth is keeping crabbers in his area happy with the quality rings he builds for that area.

You keep building your rings Kenneth, make tweaks and improvements based on the feedback of your customers. That is exactly how Jim developed the Perfectionist ring.

Wallco99 · December 17, 2024, 08:32:25 PM

Quote from: Logical1 on December 17, 2024, 08:38:21 AMkp1219 sent me some of his custom made rings to try out and asked me to assess them. I did, they were well made and functional. He is from a different area and I am sure the conditions dictate the gear specifications. It is the same for us here, the conditions dictate the gear. Jim has developed rings over years of trial and error to get to his current version. Kenneth makes a very good ring that I am sure performs very well in his area. Of all the rings I have tried, Jim's Perfectionist rings work best for me from my kayak and the waters I crab in. Kenneth's rings would be my second choice if I couldn't get Jim's. And that is not a swipe at Kenneth, Jim's rings are simply designed for my area and the crabs I go after. Kenneth is keeping crabbers in his area happy with the quality rings he builds for that area.

You keep building your rings Kenneth, make tweaks and improvements based on the feedback of your customers. That is exactly how Jim developed the Perfectionist ring.

So in case anyone happened to forget, what you're saying, AGAIN, is: STICK WITH JIM'S RINGS!!!

Logical1 · December 17, 2024, 08:50:24 PM

These are an entirely different design than the traps we use here. They were built for another region in the country. It would be like comparing an apple to a cucumber. One is really good in a pie the other is great in salads. Both have their place.

Wallco99 · December 17, 2024, 09:22:39 PM

Quote from: Logical1 on December 17, 2024, 08:50:24 PMThese are an entirely different design than the traps we use here. They were built for another region in the country. It would be like comparing an apple to a cucumber. One is really good in a pie the other is great in salads. Both have their place.

Need I say it a THIRD time?

flatfish4x4 · December 19, 2024, 07:45:25 PM

Quote from: Wallco99 on December 17, 2024, 09:22:39 PMNeed I say it a THIRD time?

KP1219 was nice enough to send a member some nets to try and you want to get your drawers in a knot.I don't think kp1219 is trying to take business away from JIM.A 1000 miles away!