GUN CONTROLL

[CRABGUY]

THAT IS A BEAUTIFUL THING

[CrabDog]

double ought buck don't miss, 9 pellets per trigger pull..

I've seen litttle old ladies and men buying handguns for home self defense. Bad Idea, I've always recommended a 12 gauge shotgun . safer, cheaper and more effective, even if you miss, the noise will send the bad guy running.

http://www.internetarmory.com/shotgun_ammo.htm

Actually,

a 12 gauge with number 7 or 8 shot makes the best home defense weapon.  More than enough to cut someone in half and yet not penetrate the wall and hit the someone in the next room ( ie baby in a crib your child etc )  Whereas a 9 mm or other handguns will go through the intruder , the wall behind them the wall behind that etc.

With 100 plus pellet in that load you are not going to miss either.  I don't know too many folks who could hit a moving target with a single shot form a handgun at 25 feet .
With 12 gauge and number 7 shot it is a done deal even if you have never shot before...

........Cdog

[CrabDog]

Check out this Gun Poster...

D,
nice where can one be obtained to hang proudly in my high tech redneck garage wall.....?

........Cdog

[CrabDog]

Another thought,

You guys talk about knock down power... how about my 58 caliber Enfield Civil War musket.  505 grain bullet behind 48 grains of triple F black powder while it is not a fast load maybe 700-800 fps... it will mushroom out to about 1 1/2 - 2 inch diameter and literally knock a man off his feet.  Kinda like the old 45 auto.  super heavy round.  man stoppers...  That is why there were so many causalities in the war.  deadly weappons that had 200+yd range.  Of couurse marching up 50 yards apart and then slugging int out with these kind of side arms wasn't too bright.  A doctor that I used to re enact with even told me that even if someone suffered a wound today from a minie ball ( civil war bullet ) they would probably still have to amputate the limb because of the amouunt of damage done by such a large round.  Even with all the modern medical techniques there would be so much trama. those rounds actually would shatter the bones/limbs instead of clipping like a full metal jack.  May e one shot, but that is all you need..... right...

.....Crabdog

[Domino]

D,
nice where can one be obtained to hang proudly in my high tech redneck garage wall.....?

........Cdog

http://www.thoseshirts.com/tshirts.html

Here's where you can get the shirt...don't know about a poster.  Sorry. 

There's some other good ones on there too! 

[CRABGUY]

Another thought,

You guys talk about knock down power... how about my 58 caliber Enfield Civil War musket. 505 grain bullet behind 48 grains of triple F black powder while it is not a fast load maybe 700-800 fps... it will mushroom out to about 1 1/2 - 2 inch diameter and literally knock a man off his feet. Kinda like the old 45 auto. super heavy round. man stoppers... That is why there were so many causalities in the war. deadly weappons that had 200+yd range. Of couurse marching up 50 yards apart and then slugging int out with these kind of side arms wasn't too bright. A doctor that I used to re enact with even told me that even if someone suffered a wound today from a minie ball ( civil war bullet ) they would probably still have to amputate the limb because of the amouunt of damage done by such a large round. Even with all the modern medical techniques there would be so much trama. those rounds actually would shatter the bones/limbs instead of clipping like a full metal jack. May e one shot, but that is all you need..... right...

.....Crabdog

I SHOOT A CVA 50CAL SIDE LOCK
ITS A MEAN SOB
AND ACCURATSE AS ALL GET OUT
1" GROUP AT 100YDS 10 SHOTS NO SWAB
I SHOT A DEER WITH A POWERBELT SLUG @ 135 YARDS YEAR BEFORE LAST
HE FELL OVER SIDEWAYS

[Joe Crabs]

Another thought,

You guys talk about knock down power... how about my 58 caliber Enfield Civil War musket.  505 grain bullet behind 48 grains of triple F black powder while it is not a fast load maybe 700-800 fps... it will mushroom out to about 1 1/2 - 2 inch diameter and literally knock a man off his feet.  Kinda like the old 45 auto.  super heavy round.  man stoppers...  That is why there were so many causalities in the war.  deadly weappons that had 200+yd range.  Of couurse marching up 50 yards apart and then slugging int out with these kind of side arms wasn't too bright.  A doctor that I used to re enact with even told me that even if someone suffered a wound today from a minie ball ( civil war bullet ) they would probably still have to amputate the limb because of the amouunt of damage done by such a large round.  Even with all the modern medical techniques there would be so much trama. those rounds actually would shatter the bones/limbs instead of clipping like a full metal jack.  May e one shot, but that is all you need..... right...

.....Crabdog

Yeah Dog I could see ya asking the guy to hold on a minute while your flasking your musket. And while your waiting I have to melt a steel ball.

[CrabDog]

Yeah Dog I could see ya asking the guy to hold on a minute while your flasking your musket. And while your waiting I have to melt a steel ball.

Actually JC ,

I have many quick loads made up for it.  Can load and shoot 3 aimed shots a minute, but I get your point....That is why I have the 18" bayonet....

Actually the shotgun is the home defense weapon of choice.  Like Bog said the distinct sound of a 12 gauge pump chambering a shell is usually enough to scare the bejesus out of most folk.... 

............................Cdog

[CrabDog]

I SHOOT A CVA 50CAL SIDE LOCK
ITS A MEAN SOB
AND ACCURATSE AS ALL GET OUT
1" GROUP AT 100YDS 10 SHOTS NO SWAB
I SHOT A DEER WITH A POWERBELT SLUG @ 135 YARDS YEAR BEFORE LAST
HE FELL OVER SIDEWAYS

CG,

I shot a deer two years ago with my T/C black diamond inline at 155 yards and when the smoke cleared the deer was standing there and then took one step and over he went.  Nice little 8 pt.  That was with a 50 caliber sabot on 2 - 50 grain pyrodex pellets.  That gun will shot 1 & 1/2 inch group at 100 yards and 2-3 inch groups at 200 yds off a bench.  I have it scoped out.  People think their modern gun will shoot tighter groups, but remember at that caliber, 2  shots toughing/key holed is still an inch across without any error.  So that means a 27-30 caliber round would have 2 times the lead way for windage and elavation
as a 50 caliber muzzle loader.  Anyway, I agree it is quite the accomplishment to take a deer with black powder, but when you hit em, they roll right out.  My inline is more accurate and has better range than my deer slug gun ( shotgun) with a rifled barrel and scope.  Might have more shots, but it is the first one that counts deer hunting anyway.  So you only need one.   

..........................Cdog

[Domino]

Actually JC ,

I have many quick loads made up for it.  Can load and shoot 3 aimed shots a minute, but I get your point....That is why I have the 18 bayonet....

Actually the shootgun is the home defense weapon of choice.  Like Bog said the distinct sound of a 12 gauge pump chambers a shell is usually enough to scare the bejesus
out of most folk.... 

............................Cdog

From only second hand experience, 12 gauge with 00 buck is also the choice of alaskan outfitters to protect against grizzly attacks.  It's like a entire handgun clip per trigger pull...but much worse because of the synergistic wave effects of simultaneous impacts.  Basically a tissue blender!

[CRABGUY]

THE BEST DEFENSE IS A GOOD OFFENSE

[Joe Crabs]

THE BEST DEFENSE IS A GOOD OFFENSE

Now there's a good thought. Shoot first ask questions later. Dead men tell no tales.

[mdjohn]

 
just some info - 7 or 8 shot does not have the person penertration to stop the bad guy. If i was the bad guy you would piss me off and if i didn't kill you,  I would sue you for injuries.

if the bad guy is behind a hollow door or drywall wall or a car door - I'd shoot thru it with 00 buck but 00 buck loses it's power over distance pretty quick. most kills are within 25 feet.

http://www.internetarmory.com/shotgun_ammo.htm

[Sam Hill] i hunted some small critters and 7 or 8 shoot and it wouldn't penetrate the fur and skin. Good for skeet shooting tho.

[mdjohn]

just another thought

for home defense use a pump shotgun. safer than automatic in a excited moment plus cheaper to buy and maintain.

[Joe Crabs]

just another thought

for home defense use a pump shotgun. safer than automatic in a excited moment plus cheaper to buy and maintain.

Hey MD I hope your in a good area. otherwise your walls must look like swiss cheese. Too much. LOL.

[mdjohn]

hey joe speaking of crime rates:

punch in your zip code and compare it against the average and other zip codes

http://p01.bestplaces.net/zipr/zipentry.asp?err=2

nice site

[R D]

From only second hand experience, 12 gauge with 00 buck is also the choice of alaskan outfitters to protect against grizzly attacks.  It's like a entire handgun clip per trigger pull...but much worse because of the synergistic wave effects of simultaneous impacts.  Basically a tissue blender!

And it depends on the shotgun too, my model 12 shoots #1 buck best,puts them all in a milk jug at 40 yrds but scatters 00 all to [Sam Hill]

[Joe Crabs]

hey joe speaking of crime rates:

punch in your zip code and compare it against the average and other zip codes

http://p01.bestplaces.net/zipr/zipentry.asp?err=2

nice site

Nice link with some interesting stats. I rate a 2 with a 2.7 in the county and a 3 national, almost a 50% split on male and female, 66% married, 80% home owners, no stats on gun owners . What's your rating John.

[CRABGUY]

And it depends on the shotgun too, my model 12 shoots #1 buck best,puts them all in a milk jug at 40 yrds but scatters 00 all to [Sam Hill]

MY 870 MAG IS THE EXACT OPASITE RD
#1 W/ FULL CHOKE 36" PATTERN AT 50 YARDS
OO OR OOO  ITS ABOUT 18"

[Joe Crabs]

MY 870 MAG IS THE EXACT OPASITE RD
#1 W/ FULL CHOKE 36" PATTERN AT 50 YARDS
OO OR OOO  ITS ABOUT 18"

I think I need to check your walls the next time I am down there.