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« on: April 01, 2008, 09:09:03 AM »

VIRGINIA MARINE RESOURCES COMMISSION
CRAB MANAGEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE
2600 WASHINGTON AVENUE, NEWPORT NEWS, VA
VMRC CONFERENCE ROOM, 4TH FLOOR
APRIL 16, 2008 - 6:00 P.M.
AGENDA
I. Introductions; Announcements
II. 2007/08 Winter Dredge Survey Results, Update of Crab Assessment
III. Review of Proposed Measures:
A. 10-30% reduction in crab pot and peeler pot limits
B. Winter Dredge Fishery- seasonal limits, areal limits, bushel limits, total
closure
C. 6-1/2 inch maximum size on female crabs
D. 2-3/8 inch cull rings in the tributaries
E. Cull rings in peeler pots
F. Area and Seasonal bushel limits
G. Closed seasons on female crab harvest
H. Reduction in recreational pot limit
I. License revocation for two offenses
IV. Next Meeting
V. Adjourn
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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2008, 09:18:13 AM »

If I was a Virginian crabber, I would have my butt at that meeting. I think they (VRMC) read my post on ideas...yikes!!! I do like the idea of cull rings on peeler pots, that way the guys are letting all/most of the 2 1/2" or less out. Female crab closure, I hope they mean in as sponge crabs, and not just when they are bright orange etc. Huh
Jack, I know it is a trek for ya, are you going?? Doing you know if meeting is taped???
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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2008, 09:18:35 AM »

Public Notice: Proposed Amendments to Regulations, April 2008
The Virginia Marine Resources Commission invites public comment on the proposed amendments to the regulations listed below.

In accordance with §28.2-209 of the Code of Virginia, a public hearing on the proposed amendments will be held at 12:00 Noon, on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 at the Marine Resources Commission, 2600 Washington Avenue, Newport News, Virginia. Written comments on the proposals should be mailed to Jack Travelstead, VMRC Fisheries Management Division, 2600 Washington Avenue, 3rd Floor, Newport News, Virginia 23607, by 5:00 p.m., Monday, April 21, 2008. Copies of the proposed amendments may be reviewed, at the Commission, Monday through Friday, 8:15 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. and may be obtained by calling the Commission at (757) 247-2248.

The Commission proposes amendments to several of its regulations on blue crab harvest: Regulation 4 VAC 20-700-10 et seq., “Pertaining to Crab Pots”; Regulation 4 VAC 20-270-10 et seq., “Pertaining to Crabbing”; Regulation 4 VAC 20-750-10 et seq., “Pertaining to Crab Dredge License Sales”; Regulation 4 VAC 20-300-10 et seq., “Pertaining to Crab Catch Limits”; Regulation 4 VAC 20-90-10 et seq., “Pertaining to Dredging for Crabs”; Regulation 4 VAC 20-40-10 et seq., “Pertaining to Crab Catch Limits”; Regulation 4 VAC 20-880-10 et seq., “Pertaining to Hard Crab and Peeler Pot License Sales”; and, Regulation 4 VAC 20-670-10 et seq., “Pertaining to Recreational Gear Licenses.”

The purposes of the proposed amendments are to respond to a persistent low abundance of blue crabs, unprecedented low harvests and recent downturns in the production of juvenile crabs. In addition, a recent report from a 2007 scientific review of Virginia’s blue crab management plan has reinforced the Commission’s plan to reduce the 2008 harvest, in an attempt to prevent overfishing, augment the potential spawning stock and increase the abundance of age 1+ (2.4 inches and greater) blue crabs.

The Commission proposes the following management measures that will require amendments to regulations listed above.

1) Reductions, from 10 to 30%, in crab pot and peeler pot limits. Crab pot limits currently range from 100 pots to 500 pots. There has been a decline in active participation, from 24 to 34% (depending on pot category license), in the crab pot fishery, since 2003. However, the number of fishermen that remain eligible to harvest has increased, from 1 to 5%, since 2003. Peeler pot licensees are currently limited to 300 pots, and VMRC records indicate that 62% of peeler pot licensees in 2001 set and fished less than 300 peeler pots. The recent decreases in the number of active crabbers, is a response to the decade-long condition of low stock abundance and other economic factors. However, there is still an overcapacity of gear in these fisheries, to the extent that necessary reductions in harvest cannot occur without further reductions in the numbers of pots set and fished.

2) Under the authority established by Section 28.2-707 of the Code of Virginia, the Commission will also consider proposals to shorten or eliminate the winter dredge fishery season and to lower the current bushel limit (51 bushels). Additionally, the Commission will consider area-specific management options, wherein crab dredging on hard bottom areas would be prohibited. At this time the fishery is limited to 53 individuals. However, the abundance of the stock and female crabs remains very low, and the winter dredge fishery harvests almost exclusively (97%) female crabs which are the same crabs that comprise the following spring and summer spawning stock. There are also varying but significant amounts of waste (dredge damaged female crabs), depending on area and time of the year, associated with this fishery.

3) The Commission will consider a proposal to establish a 6 ½-inch maximum size limit on mature female crabs. This size limit would require all female crabs greater than 6 ½ inches be returned to the water, and this measure would protect these crabs, for spawning.

4) Mandatory use of 2 3/8" cull rings in tributaries will be considered, primarily to allow additional sublegal male crabs and some smaller mature females to escape from crab pots. The current regulation requires at least two unobstructed cull rings (one 2-5/16 inches in diameter and one 2-3/16 inches in diameter) in any crab pot.

5) Mandatory use of peeler pot cull rings will be considered, for the first time. Currently, only peeler traps or pounds are required to use cull rings. Cull (or escape) rings have been shown to reduce waste in other fisheries and will augment the spawning potential.

6) The Commission will consider reducing the number of pots a recreational licensee may set and fish. Currently, the license allows 5 pots.

7) The Commission will consider a proposal to revoke any crab license of any licensee that has received 2 crab violations, within a 12-month period.

Cool Establishment of bushel limits by area or season will be considered. There is currently a 51-bushel limit, for the crab pot fishery, from March 17 through May 31.

9) The Commission will consider establishing closed seasons to conserve female crabs. This measure is intended primarily to conserve female crabs, especially those crabs that migrate down-bay during late fall and comprise the next year’s spring and summer spawning stock.

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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2008, 09:26:11 AM »

I think #3 and #9 should be either or, but not both. Don't close it, if they have to regulate somehow, the size increase mkes the most sense (maybe do it from Sept thru May) but it has to be fair for all.
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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2008, 09:30:48 AM »

If I was a Virginian crabber, I would have my butt at that meeting. I think they (VRMC) read my post on ideas...yikes!!! I do like the idea of cull rings on peeler pots, that way the guys are letting all/most of the 2 1/2" or less out. Female crab closure, I hope they mean in as sponge crabs, and not just when they are bright orange etc. Huh
Jack, I know it is a trek for ya, are you going?? Doing you know if meeting is taped???
I wont be going but I have sent more than one letter.  In fact I think Bowman singled out a comment that I made in one letter on the tape from the last meeting.  Yes the meetings are taped. Not sure about the CMAC meeting being taped or even open to the public. 
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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2008, 09:35:03 AM »

They need to make all meetings public, what would there be to hide? Huh
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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2008, 09:39:51 AM »

I am not sure what good changing the number of pots for holders of 5 pot licenses would do.  The lesgislature  of VA says each person can have 2 pots.  They would have to change the laws to reduce that.  The 5 pot licenses means that I can go fish 5 pots without taking my wife with me crabbing.  I guess they could change it to 4 pots.  However if they changed it to 3 pots I would not buy the license.  Just would take my wife and fish 4 pots.  So, all VA would do is lose the license fee's.  Undecided
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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2008, 09:41:56 AM »

They need to make all meetings public, what would there be to hide? Huh
but cmac just prepares the recommendations to the VMRC.  They just digest the raw data.
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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2008, 09:24:54 PM »

but cmac just prepares the recommendations to the VMRC.  They just digest the raw data.

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« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2008, 09:41:46 PM »

the only problem with record numbers of crabs is that there are no picking houses. what do you do with 75 bu. of sooks? i don't have time to pick them.
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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2008, 11:04:33 PM »

The meeting CMAC meeting is open to the public.  Generally the way it works is that staff/VIMS does a presentation with a moderate number of questions from the committee.  This is followed by a limited discussion by the committee.  This is followed by public comments on that agenda item (please be polite).  This is followed by more committee discussions and usually a motion and vote on the agenda item. 

Yes the Committee is advisory in nature.  The Commission makes the changes to the regulations.  That meeting will be on the 22nd. 

The CMAC minutes are actually recorded but are not posted on the internet.  The minutes are posted a month or two later.  The Commission meeting has their minutes posted on the internet as .mp3 files two or three days after the meeting.



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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2008, 10:25:42 PM »

the 2 3/8 cull rings leave you with a five inch crab .....so why only require them in the tributarys ?.......has anyone told virginia that slavery was abolished?



A 2 3/8 cull ring will let Some 5 1/2 inch sooks get out..And many 5 1/4 inch males too! Wink
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« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2008, 08:50:33 AM »



A 2 3/8 cull ring will let Some 5 1/2 inch sooks get out..And many 5 1/4 inch males too! Wink
stupid I experimented with culling rings a few years ago, yes I was bored.  Anyway, saw more than one 4.5+" crab get out the 2 5/15ths.
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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 02:34:59 PM »

stupid I experimented with culling rings a few years ago, yes I was bored.  Anyway, saw more than one 4.5+" crab get out the 2 5/15ths.



Same here Jack, I've used them for 23 years now.. I have 4 rings in each pot. 2- 2 5/16" rings and 2 -2 3/8 rings. In the fall during the sook runs I close the larger rings off.  The 2 3/8 rings will let a lot of legal size 5" crabs go free.
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