February 20, 2018, 02:26:12 PM
 
*
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
 
 
 
Total time logged in: 0 minutes.
 
   Home   Help Login Register  

     
 

A D V E R T I S E M E N T

Pages: [1]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Confused About Size Requirements In New York  (Read 4920 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
ralphrepo
Registered User

Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 159
Location: new york




Ignore
« on: October 01, 2013, 05:45:43 PM »

I had written an e-mail to New York City's Parks Department in regards to questions about Pelham Bay Park as a potential location for crabbing. This was the response in its entirety, (with highlight and emphasis on confusing points applied by me):

Quote
Dear Mr. Repo,

Thank you for your recent inquiry regarding crabbing in Pelham Bay Park.

You may go crabbing at Pelham Bay Park in the Bronx, but there a few laws and regulations you have to follow.  First, the use of traps to catch fish and/or crustaceans is illegal in NYC parks.  You must use a method other than trapping to catch your crabs.  You must follow all City, State and Federal laws and regulations, including the following size and catch limits for blue claw crabs:  Hard Shell Blues must be 4.5 inches long, from mouth to rear.  Soft Shell Blues must be 3.5 inches long, from mouth to rear.  Anything smaller is illegal to harvest.  Be sure not to make the mistake of measuring them side to side! The maximum amount you are allowed to keep per day is 50 individual crabs.

All other crab species have no size limits, and the maximum catch allowed per day is 50 individuals.  Please note that the season for crabbing is open year round in New York State.  Other guidelines you must follow for fishing in NYC Parks are:  All fishing lines and hooks need to be removed from the park, the use of lead weights is prohibited in all parks, freshwater fishing is catch and release only, and the use of barbed hooks in freshwater is illegal.

You can find parking at Pelham Bay Park at the corner of Stadium Place and Middletown Road, or at the Orchard Beach Parking lot.  The Park is open until 9 PM unless otherwise posted.  Bathrooms close at 4:30 PM.  All accessible shorelines are available for your use.

Sincerely,

The Urban Park Rangers

I was a bit puzzled by the description of the measurements needing to be from front to rear; my assumption has always been to measure at the widest lateral points of the shell (carapace). Since I'm very new at this, was I wrong in my points of measurement? New York State's Department of Environmental Conservation's site also specifically mentions that the correct methodology is to measures along the width of the carapace.

I searched on the net, and found that, of all places, they seem to measure from front to back in Australia. Can some of the more seasoned pros clarify this for me? Is this a rule that is particular to New York City only?

Also, is it safe to crab in the waters of Pelham Bay Park? I read a short blurb somewhere on the net about the waters there being still too toxic to fish for anything; is that an accurate assessment? Thank you.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2013, 05:49:49 PM by ralphrepo » Logged
king crab 48
Lifetime Member
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1643
Location: ct.





Ignore
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2013, 06:40:15 PM »

That  has to be a city  law.  I have never heard of measuring  blue crabs from front to back.   Don't know about consumption but I bet somewhere in  the enviroment protection section it might tell you.
Logged
Ron
Lifetime Member
Global Moderator
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 20140
Location: Somers Point, NJ



RonMeischker https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=220842455&trk=nav_respon RMeischker
WWW
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2013, 08:07:32 PM »

That's bizarre.
Logged

9th Annual Assault on Patcong Creek Crabbing Tournament & BBQ
America's Largest Crabbing Tournament
June 22-23, 2018
Somers Point, NJ

http://www.assaultonpatcongcreek.com

To Register:
http://assaultonpatcongcreek.com/the-crabbing-tournament/tournament-registration/

Check out the tournament's page on Facebook!
https://www.facebook.com/assaultonpatcongcreek
Mutzy crab man
Lifetime Member
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 6271
Location: Staten Island,New York


9-1/8th 7-31-08 Wye




Ignore
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2013, 09:00:28 PM »

In New York waters blue crabs are commonly fished for by recreational anglers using a crab pot or trap. Blue crabs with a hard shell, must be at least 4.5 inches to take. Soft shell crabs must be 3.5 inches in order to take them. Lastly, crabs in between both stages known as peelers or shedders must be at least 3 inches in length from point to point on the carapace. Blue crabs can be fished for all year round, but only 50 crabs can be taken daily. Be sure to check the recreational size and catch limits before you head out on your next fishing trip.

Blue crab meat is used in a variety of food preparations, one of the most popular being crab cakes.
Logged

Outta the river an into my pot...FUHGEDDABOUDIT..
Ron
Lifetime Member
Global Moderator
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 20140
Location: Somers Point, NJ



RonMeischker https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=220842455&trk=nav_respon RMeischker
WWW
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2013, 07:30:19 AM »

Gerry,

Read what he was told above about not measuring side to side.
Logged

9th Annual Assault on Patcong Creek Crabbing Tournament & BBQ
America's Largest Crabbing Tournament
June 22-23, 2018
Somers Point, NJ

http://www.assaultonpatcongcreek.com

To Register:
http://assaultonpatcongcreek.com/the-crabbing-tournament/tournament-registration/

Check out the tournament's page on Facebook!
https://www.facebook.com/assaultonpatcongcreek

A D V E R T I S E M E N T

Mutzy crab man
Lifetime Member
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 6271
Location: Staten Island,New York


9-1/8th 7-31-08 Wye




Ignore
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2013, 05:51:11 PM »

It said from mouth to rear.....The N.Y.S.law I read said point to point?Huh
Logged

Outta the river an into my pot...FUHGEDDABOUDIT..
ralphrepo
Registered User

Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 159
Location: new york




Ignore
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2013, 07:37:45 PM »

It said from mouth to rear.....The N.Y.S.law I read said point to point?Huh

Thank you. Since I'm rather new at this, I thought maybe it was a special rule pertaining to New York City. I had read somewhere that the length to width ratio for the Atlantic Blue Crab is approximately 0.60; given such a ratio, that would mean that a Blue Crab needs to be at least 7.5 inches across the carapace in order for it to be considered legal. That will likely be the largest crab I'd ever seen.

At any rate, I responded to their e-mail, providing the link on crabs from the NYS DEC, and asked specifically for a clarification as to what they (the "Urban Rangers") meant in light of what NYS published rules are.

Oh, and just to clarify it for me once and for all, the traditionally acceptable and legal way (in NY State) to measure Blue Crabs is from the apical tip of one lateral spine to the other, across the carapace (from shoulder to shoulder, as in the the pic below); am I correct? I had begun to worry as my net search found something from Oregon, which stated that their measurements specifically excluded the lateral spines and their measurements are taken between the furthest lateral teeth. Thus I wanted to make sure that NYS didn't do that before I start getting myself in trouble for taking undersized crabs.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2013, 07:45:15 PM by ralphrepo » Logged
Mutzy crab man
Lifetime Member
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 6271
Location: Staten Island,New York


9-1/8th 7-31-08 Wye




Ignore
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2013, 09:09:19 PM »

That's exactly right...POINT TO POINT...New York is 4.5" point to point
Logged

Outta the river an into my pot...FUHGEDDABOUDIT..
Ron
Lifetime Member
Global Moderator
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 20140
Location: Somers Point, NJ



RonMeischker https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=220842455&trk=nav_respon RMeischker
WWW
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2013, 06:47:41 AM »

That's exactly right...POINT TO POINT...New York is 4.5" point to point

thumbsup
Logged

9th Annual Assault on Patcong Creek Crabbing Tournament & BBQ
America's Largest Crabbing Tournament
June 22-23, 2018
Somers Point, NJ

http://www.assaultonpatcongcreek.com

To Register:
http://assaultonpatcongcreek.com/the-crabbing-tournament/tournament-registration/

Check out the tournament's page on Facebook!
https://www.facebook.com/assaultonpatcongcreek
ralphrepo
Registered User

Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 159
Location: new york




Ignore
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2013, 12:39:52 PM »

An update; after I pointed out the differences between what my understanding of NYS DEC rules and the parameters as detailed in their letter, I got this in reply:

Quote
Dear Mr. Repo,

First off, we'd like to thank you for your dedication to following fishing regulations for the City and State of New York.  If we had more anglers such as yourself, we'd have a much healthier population of fish and crustaceans!

As for measuring them side to side, you are correct.  Please forgive me for the confusion.  I also got my information from the NYS DEC Website.  When you follow this link, http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/7894.html it shows the size limits for everything in NYS saltwater areas.  That's where we got the information on the measurements being from mouth to rear, or "Snout Vent Length" (SVL). As you see in the link, it has a column marked "Size Limits (Total length in inches)*" with the asterisk.  As you scroll down, and find the asterisk, it instructs people to measure from mouth to vent.  As you look at the link we sent you, we wanted to make sure we had you measure SVL, because that is what was specified in the column.  When you read the text at the asterisk, it doesn't say "except crabs" or "crabs not included",  but that could be implied, because it seems to be talking about fish only. We did not want to tell you that side to side measurement was okay when the NYS DEC instructs anglers to measure via SVL.  However, being that the DEC has that specific measuring distinction for crabs, you are correct.  You can measure them side to side, along the widest point. Now that we have that cleared up, you're ready to go crabbing!  Have fun and we wish you all the best!

I wish you all the best!

Sincerely,
 
Andrew Marsala
Ranger Sergeant
Bronx Urban Park Rangers
Van Cortlandt Park Nature Center

So it confirms what everyone here stated, that is, for Hard Shell Blue Crab minimums (4.5 inches); across the furthest points at the width of the carapace, is the correct and legally accepted measurement methodology for all of New York State, including New York City waters. Thanks to all for helping answer this question.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2013, 12:42:20 PM by ralphrepo » Logged

A D V E R T I S E M E N T

Pages: [1]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

 
 
Home
 
Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines
Simple Audio Video Embedder


Google visited last this page February 11, 2018, 08:26:02 AM
wordpress