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« on: August 06, 2014, 11:26:01 PM »

Last year I was told by bait shops from Tuckerton to Mantoloking that it was illegal to use chicken/turkey parts as bait for crabbing. Over and over again I heard that the DEP said the use caused salmanella in the waters of they bay. So wanting to obey the law I only purchased bunker. This myth is even being repeated as far as Maryland.

This is a direct quote from the DEP website taken today.

"One of the most popular methods is to use baited lines or traps from the bank or a boat. The most common baits are menhaden (bunker) and chicken necks, but any fresh fish will work well. Many crabbers save the racks from filleted fish for crab bait. A very inexpensive bait line can be made by tying a 6 oz. sinker and a large (8/0) hook to one end of 15 to 20 feet of cord. A short stick is tied to the other end and used to secure the bait line on the bank and to store the cord."

Now I understand it is nice to support local businnesses, but giving out false information is crossing a line. The only legimate complaint I will agree with about using chicken is people are pigs. If your going to use chicken as bait, throw your trash away. Your a visitor and should respect that the locals don't want your trash blowing around their yards.

This information is supplied by me and not City Beef. I just happen to find them recently when searching for chicken parts.

You can buy bulk chicken/turkey parts at City Beef, 264 N Warren St, Trenton, NJ, Mercer Country, hours of 7am-4pm (M-F) and 7am-1pm (S)

Please call us at (609) 392-1492 to place your order!
 
chicken necks:  $.59/lb case price, 40 lb case = $23.60
chicken wings:  $1.65/lb case price, 40 lb case = $66.00; we will break these cases for $1.99/lb
chicken backs:  $.45/lb case price, 40 lb case = $18.00
turkey tails:  $25.50 for 30 lb box
turkey necks: $29.70 for 30 lb box
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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2014, 06:26:15 PM »

we use chicken necks all of the time , never heard of that . only thing you can't use is flounder to my knoledge,
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2014, 06:39:47 PM »

I believe I read somewhere a few years back that saltwater explodes the cells of salmonella, but I still never touch my food with my bare hands on the boat just in case. 
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2014, 06:41:42 PM »

It's legal to use chicken.

If your going to use chicken as bait, throw your trash away. Your a visitor and should respect that the locals don't want your trash blowing around their yards.

...or the river, or the marsh grass.    This isn't just reserved for people who use chicken.    It goes for anything you bring out with you for your outing.    Take away what you brought with you.


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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2014, 06:45:26 PM »

I believe I read somewhere a few years back that saltwater explodes the cells of salmonella, but I still never touch my food with my bare hands on the boat just in case. 


What happens if you get sprayed with saltwater from a hose after you handled chicken necks?    Does that increase your risk?    Grin
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2014, 06:48:40 PM »

What happens if you get sprayed with saltwater from a hose after you handled chicken necks?    Does that increase your risk?    Grin

Maybe, Jury's still out
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2014, 07:15:42 PM »

When I was a kid, and I am now 61, it was chicken and bunker. After years my wife thought it would be "fun" to go crabbing. It was then I found out about this chicken thing. I was told this at 2 well know Tuckerton bait shops, one in Mantoloking and 2 on LBI.

Actually there have been posts on this site and other sites. I have found repeated on Maryland sites making fun of how stupid we are in Jersey.

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Anyone know what all the fuss is about about not using chicken? Have seen signs up all over the place. I though initially it was a ploy by the tackle shops but heard some rumors about pending regulations prohibiting its use due to it passing on salmonella and such to crabs and other species and disrupting the whole ecosystem with something that is not naturally a part of it. Not sure the truth to it but if anyone has any info on it would love to hear the real story.

Bunch of wise crackers here huh?

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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2014, 07:20:17 PM »

It's legal to use chicken and there are no pending regulations to ban it.

There are plenty of regulations against littering though...
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2014, 07:23:19 PM »

Those bunker individually sealed vac bags are just as bad, must be the styrofoam that causes all the pollution.
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2014, 09:41:58 PM »

What happens when any water fowl die in the NJ waterways?? Bait shops are looking to sell their inventory of bait supplied to them by local fishermen period end of story. Show me any regulation on the NJ Fish and Game website that says it is illegal to use chicken as bait. Crabs eat chicken, people eat crabs--With all the crabs being consumed by everyone on this website I have never seen anyone citing any illness or disease regarding the use of chicken. Put this issue to bed
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2014, 05:58:37 AM »

...I was told this at 2 well know Tuckerton bait shops, one in Mantoloking and 2 on LBI.
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I think that you should name the bait shops, so that anyone who reads this and has a regard for the truth can avoid doing business with them.

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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2014, 04:33:53 PM »

You can use chicken as long as you use legal chickens.  You  can't use chickens from another country that cross the border into the U.S illegally.  Those chickens are illegal.  Maybe that's what they were talking about.   laugh laugh
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2014, 05:03:14 PM »

I've never gotten salmonella and I always just rinsed mys hands clean in the salt water before I eat my food. So I don't see where it can cause pollution...
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2014, 10:26:04 PM »

I have nothing against the bait shops. They are trying to make a living and probably heard it enough times they believe it's true. I did some research and this is like the myth about it being illegal to use corn to fish for trout in NJ. The story goes it gets stuck in the intestine and the fish die a slow death. After hearing that one repeated many times even in other states I went to the horses mouth the hatchery. Great myth, but not true.

The worse problem is trash. Sadly there is a portion of fishermen and crabbers that think nothing of throwing there trash on the ground and going home. A few weeks ago I noticed a gull sitting on a piling with a couple of feet of fishing line hanging out of it's beak at Parketown. At the first bridge at 7 Bridges another gull had line cutting through it's foot. And those styrofoam trays are blowing everywhere.
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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2014, 05:23:38 AM »

Up to you, but I think that whether the shop employees told you falsehoods because they were themselves misinformed, or were doing so deliberately to sell more bait, it is useful and appropriate information. I think most of us would prefer to patronize shops with employees who know the truth and pass it on unaltered to their customers, and avoid the others.

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I have nothing against the bait shops. They are trying to make a living and probably heard it enough times they believe it's true. I did some research and this is like the myth about it being illegal to use corn to fish for trout in NJ. The story goes it gets stuck in the intestine and the fish die a slow death. After hearing that one repeated many times even in other states I went to the horses mouth the hatchery. Great myth, but not true.

The worse problem is trash. Sadly there is a portion of fishermen and crabbers that think nothing of throwing there trash on the ground and going home. A few weeks ago I noticed a gull sitting on a piling with a couple of feet of fishing line hanging out of it's beak at Parketown. At the first bridge at 7 Bridges another gull had line cutting through it's foot. And those styrofoam trays are blowing everywhere.
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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2014, 06:55:10 AM »

Up to you, but I think that whether the shop employees told you falsehoods because they were themselves misinformed, or were doing so deliberately to sell more bait, it is useful and appropriate information. I think most of us would prefer to patronize shops with employees who know the truth and pass it on unaltered to their customers, and avoid the others.

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This is my thoughts on the issue.  If your buying poultry parts from a butcher or grocer your not buying bait from them. They're losing money and they're trying to find a way to make it.
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2014, 07:54:12 PM »

The worse problem is trash. Sadly there is a portion of fishermen and crabbers that think nothing of throwing there trash on the ground and going home. A few weeks ago I noticed a gull sitting on a piling with a couple of feet of fishing line hanging out of it's beak at Parketown. At the first bridge at 7 Bridges another gull had line cutting through it's foot. And those styrofoam trays are blowing everywhere.
Those aren't crabbers or fisherman. Real crabbers and fisherman aren't too stupid, drunk or just plain lazy to bend the [Sam Hill] over and pick up after themselves, and they don't ruin crabbing or fishing for everybody else by being lazy, drunk or stupid. The lazy, drunk and stupid element who are also the ones who don't bother to cull their crabs, or take home every [dang] thing they catch legal or not, and they go around shooting up all the regulation signs with a 12 guage so people can't read them - and you have to explain to your kids, when you take them to crab proper, about all the lazy stupid and drunk people.
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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2014, 09:11:11 PM »

The first reference to using chicken being illegal was actully on the Blue Claw Forum. Below is a list of just some of the websites that brought this subject up including the Blue Claw site. So it has been kicking around for years and not an evil plot for a reality show. I have seen Maryland websites that still thought it was illegal to use chicken.


Tidalfish.com

Default Chicken banned in NJ for crabbing...
Just got back from NJ where I get my eel for crabbing. My eel guy told me it is now illegal in NJ waters to use chicken for crabbing because of the adverse impact on water quality. I was impressed - NJ is years ahead of Maryland in managing their fisheries.

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Ok, so the few times I've gotten out crabbing last year I was told on numerous occasions that you SHOULD NOT be using chicken for bait, especially in the bay because its bad. Was told this by several people, in the Sea Side area,including those in some bait stores (which I would understand why they wouldnt promote the use of it and would want you to use bunker). But is there really anything wrong with using chicken as bait for crabs?

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The use of chicken in the for state of N.J.is illegal  they change the law in 2010 they say it i because of salmonella ...My family been using chicken for over 50 years and Manny of our family friends.So check the law and you will see.........BadBoy

More of the same on Stripersonline.com http://www.stripersonline.com/t/900311/crabbing-from-a-kayak-tips/15

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http://www.bluecrab.info/forum/index.php?topic=27732.0

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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2014, 09:28:54 PM »

It's been brought up here, and each time it's been clarified that it is legal.
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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2014, 09:52:37 PM »

All of those sites soon pointed out that it was legal including Blue Claw. Some people questioned where I had heard such a thing.

It has always been legal. Like the Loch Ness monster it keeps popping up which more than likely will never stop even if they read the DEP site. Never believe your lying eyes. lol

It's like the myth it is illegal to use corn to fish for trout. Last year I lost track of the number of times I heard that from "hard line" fishermen. Even almost got to blows because I wouldn't stop. So I contacted the hatchery and got a letter from biologist at the hatchery who said they had tried to stop this and it just kept going. So I printed out the e-mail and would carry. Didn't matter because they knew it was illegal. You can't argue with stupid. lol

A similar thing happened when I was a kid back in the 60's. I fished with beef liver for trout. Over and over again I would hear they fed the trout at the hatchery on beef and it was illegal. I finally just asked a warden who just laughed. I started trout fishing again last year and what was the fisrt thing I was told by a "hard line" fisherman when he saw beef liver.

So grab that chicken, corn and liver and go out and break some laws that don't exist.
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