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« on: January 15, 2016, 03:17:00 PM »

did they ever change the laws about using trot lines in nj iknow it was 50ft not even worth doing tks crankycraber
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2016, 03:32:40 PM »

It's two (2) 150' lines with 25 necks per line.  I have two lines that I use on occasion when the crabbing's really good, but it's more or less just for practice for when I head further south.
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Yuh catch 'um wid a neck an' a line.
Bile de water 'til 'e good 'n hot.
Den eat de crab strait from 'de pot.

Oh, de beer, he taste so chilly.
Drinks it 'til I gets too silly.
Washin' down 'de crab an' butter.
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2016, 01:38:29 PM »

I just wish they would change to a straight 3ooft tks crankycraber
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2016, 06:33:03 PM »

I clip mine together and will continue to do so until told otherwise.  Nowhere does it say you can't. 

Last time I used one in NJ was on the Shrews with Mutzy.  We did ok with it and it helped fill our basket. 
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2016, 06:40:33 PM »

I clip mine together and will continue to do so until told otherwise.  Nowhere does it say you can't.  

Last time I used one in NJ was on the Shrews with Mutzy.  We did ok with it and it helped fill our basket.  

I checked years ago on this with NJ Fish & Wildlife and was told that the second the lines are clipped together it is considered one line.     This was before Crabbygramps passed...
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2016, 09:30:08 AM »

I checked years ago on this with NJ Fish & Wildlife and was told that the second the lines are clipped together it is considered one line.     This was before Crabbygramps passed...
Crabbygramps (Kenny) always got involved in that topic.Every time I crabbed with him that was our main discussion.....
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2016, 10:45:40 AM »

Ken and I thought alike on this topic.   You may have been told but nowhere is it written.  Low risk "gamble" IMO. 
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2016, 11:10:02 AM »

It's an argument I'd be willing to make in front of a judge given the chance.  Hopefully, that never happens, but given the opportunity, I wouldn't be embarrassed to make the case that it's two lines.  If I tie two traps to one float, it doesn't make it one trap.  Or maybe it does.  Who knows? 
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Oh, de crab, he taste so fine.
Yuh catch 'um wid a neck an' a line.
Bile de water 'til 'e good 'n hot.
Den eat de crab strait from 'de pot.

Oh, de beer, he taste so chilly.
Drinks it 'til I gets too silly.
Washin' down 'de crab an' butter.
If I doesn't fall down, I'll 'ave anudder.
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2016, 11:55:07 AM »

If I tie two traps to one float, it doesn't make it one trap.  Or maybe it does.  Who knows? 

I'm glad you mentioned floats...

The regulations clearly define a single trotline as not more than 150' and 25 baits.   The regulations also define how the ends for each trotline need to be identified.

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Each trotline shall be marked at both ends with a clearly visible stake or buoy.

It clearly states that the ends of EACH LINE must have a clearly visible stake or buoy.     When you link together the ends of two lines instead of marking the beginning and end of each trotline with a stake or buoy, then you aren't adhering to the regulations because you are only marking one end of each of the lines in that scenario.

In short, a trotline is defined as no more than 150' w 25 baits and the ends of each line must be marked by a clearly visible buoy, so it leaves no gray area-type argument as to whether or not you can tie two lines together.  
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2016, 03:29:25 PM »

Oh, both ends are  marked with a clearly visible buoy.  Each one just so happens to have a 150' baited tag line.   Grin
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2016, 03:48:51 PM »

Oh, both ends are  marked with a clearly visible buoy.  Each one just so happens to have a 150' baited tag line.   Grin

I'll take that as admission of defeat.    Grin
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2016, 03:50:24 PM »

Nope, just another interpretation in favor of common sense and incontrovertible proof of strict compliance with the regs!   Grin
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2016, 04:42:32 PM »

Nope, just another interpretation in favor of common sense and incontrovertible proof of strict compliance with the regs!   Grin

Neither common sense or strict interpretation remotely favor the tying two lines together theory.   
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2016, 09:42:48 PM »

I'm glad you mentioned floats...

The regulations clearly define a single trotline as not more than 150' and 25 baits.   The regulations also define how the ends for each trotline need to be identified.

As written:

Each trotline shall be marked at both ends with a clearly visible stake or buoy.

It clearly states that the ends of EACH LINE must have a clearly visible stake or buoy.     When you link together the ends of two lines instead of marking the beginning and end of each trotline with a stake or buoy, then you aren't adhering to the regulations because you are only marking one end of each of the lines in that scenario.
In short, a trotline is defined as no more than 150' w 25 baits and the ends of each line must be marked by a clearly visible buoy, so it leaves no gray area-type argument as to whether or not you can tie two lines together.  
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2016, 08:40:06 AM »

Neither common sense or strict interpretation remotely favor the tying two lines together theory.   

We live in a world where neither common sense nor strict interpretation rule the courtroom.  I'd be willing to take my chances on my interpretation.  And hope Ron doesn't show up in a robe.   smash

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Oh, de crab, he taste so fine.
Yuh catch 'um wid a neck an' a line.
Bile de water 'til 'e good 'n hot.
Den eat de crab strait from 'de pot.

Oh, de beer, he taste so chilly.
Drinks it 'til I gets too silly.
Washin' down 'de crab an' butter.
If I doesn't fall down, I'll 'ave anudder.

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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2016, 09:54:32 AM »

It's two (2) 150' lines with 25 necks per line.

well, that answered my question of how many you can actually use.  Smiley
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