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« on: January 24, 2017, 10:02:53 PM »

Maryland DNR is proposing the definition below:

I wonder if this Proposal is going to affect the way ring traps are constructed?

Opportunity for Public Comment
Comments may be sent to Blue Crab Regulations, Regulatory Staff,
Department of Natural Resources Fishing and Boating Services, 580
Taylor Avenue, B-2, Annapolis, MD 21401, or call 410-260-8300, or
email to [email protected], or fax to 410-260-
8310. Comments will be accepted through February 21, 2017. A public
hearing will be held on February 6, 2017, at 5 p.m., at Tawes State Office
Building, 580 Taylor Avenue, Conference Room C-1, Annapolis, MD
21401.
.01 Crabbing Gear.
A. (text unchanged)
B. Recreational Gear—Definitions.
(1)—(2) (text unchanged)
(3) “Crab net ring” means netting supported by [a] one ring shaped
rim that is less than or equal to 30 inches in diameter.

I think it would be worth everyone's time to send the DNR a comment about clarifying this new definition to ensure that the standard
net ring with two rings will still be legal.
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2017, 10:30:48 PM »

Good point, Mikie.

It'll be interesting to see the responses.
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2017, 01:59:14 AM »

I wonder what brought this all about. I went through this in the 90's using these rings when they weren't even on the books. A couple commercial crabbers where I crabbed didn't take it to kindly of what I was catching. You know how that goes and what happens. At least DNR added them to the books as a way to catch crabs but they had no limit on the number of rings you could use. More moaning and groaning and then they placed the limit of 30 on them. Anyway here we go again with how DNR words things. The way I take it is they're just saying you can't have a ring more than 30" especially when it says SUPPORTED by ONE RING SHAPED RIM. Therefore it shouldn't matter how many other rings there are because they're not supporting anything.
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2017, 10:14:44 AM »

I would read it the same way and hope that's what happens, or they clarify the wording before it's adopted.
The problem will be when the NRP guy sees the words "one ring". If he sees more then "one ring" he's probably reaching for his ticket book.
That's why I think it would be prudent for everyone to send a comment to the email address in the notice to express their concern over the wording. I sent mine last night before I posted the notice on here.
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2017, 12:10:31 PM »

 DNR should just leave the recs alone when it come to equiment like this and instead just make a 1 bu per boat limit per day for recs.
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2017, 12:22:00 PM »

I just sent a request for clarification and expressed my concerns.
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2017, 01:03:29 PM »

It looks like the request for clarification part of my e-mail might be ignored.  I got an auto-reply saying they would take my comments into consideration.  It looks like if want to actually give an opinion on the proposed change (and at this point it is unclear what the change means), you have to make an assumption and state your case by e-mail or at the meeting.
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Yuh catch 'um wid a neck an' a line.
Bile de water 'til 'e good 'n hot.
Den eat de crab strait from 'de pot.

Oh, de beer, he taste so chilly.
Drinks it 'til I gets too silly.
Washin' down 'de crab an' butter.
If I doesn't fall down, I'll 'ave anudder.
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2017, 02:51:13 PM »

DNR should just leave the recs alone when it come to equiment like this and instead just make a 1 bu per boat limit per day for recs.

I totally agree! They don't need anymore than that.
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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2017, 03:35:59 PM »

I told them that I thought the proposal was actually more confusing then the existing reg and that most crab net rings actually have two rings and would existing crab net rings be legal if the proposal passed as written.
I'm sure nothing would be forthcoming until after all of the comment and hearing periods are over. Even then I wouldn't necessarily expect a direct response. More then likely will just have to keep an eye on the Public Notices.
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2017, 05:35:08 PM »

I would read it the same way and hope that's what happens, or they clarify the wording before it's adopted.
The problem will be when the NRP guy sees the words "one ring". If he sees more then "one ring" he's probably reaching for his ticket book.
That's why I think it would be prudent for everyone to send a comment to the email address in the notice to express their concern over the wording. I sent mine last night before I posted the notice on here.

I still say if it was meant to be just one ring they wouldn't have added the words SUPPORTED BY. So now this opens up another question. I suppose you could have a supporting top ring of 30" and a bottom ring of whatever size you wanted.
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2017, 10:39:20 PM »

DNR should just leave the recs alone when it come to equiment like this and instead just make a 1 bu per boat limit per day for recs.
It actually should be one bushel per license, not boat.
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2017, 07:23:28 AM »

 ! bu per lic. , really? some recs. catch and keep way to many crabs per season already when they don't acually use those crabs, they instead give them to others though out the season and that my friend is not and should not be the purpose of rec crabbin which is a maryland tradition to catch your own crabs to feast on.
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2017, 07:54:39 AM »

! bu per lic. , really? some recs. catch and keep way to many crabs per season already when they don't acually use those crabs, they instead give them to others though out the season and that my friend is not and should not be the purpose of rec crabbin which is a maryland tradition to catch your own crabs to feast on.

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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2017, 08:44:38 AM »

Nah, I'll stick with my theory. 1 bushel per license sounds fair.
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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2017, 11:01:47 AM »

I sent picture of double ring to DNR customer service and I asked them if it is legal to use, the answer is yes and they sent me a ring picture they try to make it illegal to use.

Here is the picture they sent me.
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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2017, 12:45:11 PM »

That makes more sense to me, ed.  It looks like the two rings are connected, so they are both supporting the net.  I can also see how a crab could get trapped in the inside wedge.
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Yuh catch 'um wid a neck an' a line.
Bile de water 'til 'e good 'n hot.
Den eat de crab strait from 'de pot.

Oh, de beer, he taste so chilly.
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Washin' down 'de crab an' butter.
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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2017, 01:17:29 PM »

 That's not much differant that a traditsional 4 door collapsable trap why make it illeagal?
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2017, 02:19:15 PM »

I sent picture of double ring to DNR customer service and I asked them if it is legal to use, the answer is yes and they sent me a ring picture they try to make it illegal to use.

Here is the picture they sent me.


Nice work Ed. Now I see why. Both them rings are supporting rings. The top ring doesn't fall down like the doors on a trap. It stays just like shown in the picture. That bottom ring is 34". Guess that 4" makes a difference to them.
Mike, I made some of them 4 years ago. Never caught a crab so I did an experiment. I would put a crab in it to see if would attract more crabs. Later when I pulled it up the crab that was in there would be gone. Same results throughout the day. Hope you and others wasn't getting worried about such nonsense of making the basic 2 ring crab net illegal.
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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2017, 07:04:49 PM »

Nice work Ed. Now I see why. Both them rings are supporting rings. The top ring doesn't fall down like the doors on a trap. It stays just like shown in the picture. That bottom ring is 34". Guess that 4" makes a difference to them.
Mike, I made some of them 4 years ago. Never caught a crab so I did an experiment. I would put a crab in it to see if would attract more crabs. Later when I pulled it up the crab that was in there would be gone. Same results throughout the day. Hope you and others wasn't getting worried about such nonsense of making the basic 2 ring crab net illegal.


Jim, I wouldn't assume it's nonsense.  The more people that comment on the proposal, the better the chance that a mistake is not made in the wording.  BTW, how did you know it was a 34" ring?

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That's not much differant that a traditsional 4 door collapsable trap why make it illeagal?

rd, doesn't look to me like it would sit flat on the bottom, and could possibly trap crabs?Huh   and recs are more likely to lose a trap?Huh  who knows what they're thinkin'?
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Yuh catch 'um wid a neck an' a line.
Bile de water 'til 'e good 'n hot.
Den eat de crab strait from 'de pot.

Oh, de beer, he taste so chilly.
Drinks it 'til I gets too silly.
Washin' down 'de crab an' butter.
If I doesn't fall down, I'll 'ave anudder.
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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2017, 09:12:46 PM »

Jim, I wouldn't assume it's nonsense.  The more people that comment on the proposal, the better the chance that a mistake is not made in the wording.  BTW, how did you know it was a 34" ring?
Here is the email
 
Hi Edward,

I checked in with our legal staff, and we've proposed changing the definition (see here under .01 or http://dnr.maryland.gov/fisheries/Documents/BlueCrab1-2017.pdf).  I'm attaching a picture (below) of what we're trying to prohibit. The picture that you sent we would want to continue to allow. So the answer is that your net ring is currently legal and we will do what we need to do to ensure that it remains legal and isn't accidentally prohibited. (Currently our "E-regs" page and fishing guide says "Net rings must have a diameter less than or equal to 30 inches").


 

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580 Taylor Ave., B-2
Annapolis, Maryland 21401
410-260-8338 (office) 
410-260-8324 (voicemail)
443-569-1398 (cell)
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