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« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2017, 08:09:07 AM »

I can see it now Carolina skiff crab boats with 300hp and a kicker. laugh

But on a serious note, this is going to cause a lot of arguments and fighting on the water (not good)
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« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2017, 08:36:00 AM »

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2016RS/fnotes/bil_0007/sb0837.pdf

I don't see the part about not being able to set gear until legal start time in the senate version, also this version sounds like it will be an option  Huh confusing.
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« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2017, 08:44:48 AM »

so this 2 hour early start is an option?
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« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2017, 08:49:03 AM »

heres another link. check it out
http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?id=SB0059&stab=01&pid=billpage&tab=subject3&ys=2017RS
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« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2017, 08:50:34 AM »


so it seams like its for only tidal fish license holders, not LCC?
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« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2017, 09:16:39 AM »

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« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2017, 10:22:30 AM »

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2016RS/fnotes/bil_0007/sb0837.pdf

I don't see the part about not being able to set gear until legal start time in the senate version, also this version sounds like it will be an option  Huh confusing.

Try Senate Bill 59, 2017 session. The one you posted is the year before.
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« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2017, 11:16:58 AM »

 Mike, your lcc is a tidel fish lic. and it's the lowest crab lic  that they issue.
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« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2017, 11:19:20 AM »

So they don't have to have a public hearing to enact this f'd up law???
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« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2017, 11:32:28 AM »

Try Senate Bill 59, 2017 session. The one you posted is the year before.
Gotcha, thanks
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« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2017, 02:37:15 PM »

Mike, your lcc is a tidel fish lic. and it's the lowest crab lic  that they issue.

Ohhhhh gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up I got a lil confused. Are you gonna be there?

Mike
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« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2017, 09:32:06 PM »

so it seams like its for only tidal fish license holders, not LCC?

LCC holders fall under that category
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« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2017, 04:57:13 AM »

I've read the passed bill (SB59) 3 times this morning.

I don't care what the DNR said last night. The bill changes the gear set time from anytime before, to, may not set gear until starting time.

This is for all days, not just the holidays, that the starting time is an additional hour early starting.

The DNR cannot change the meaning of the bill, regardless of what they say.
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« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2017, 05:27:18 AM »

Here is Bill 59.  You decide . www.mgaleg.maryland.gov/2017RS/bills/sb/sb0059F.pdf
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« Reply #54 on: May 12, 2017, 06:35:59 AM »


the key words changing the reg from this.

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SENATE BILL 59
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The methods by which crabs are taken;
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To close or open any specified area to catch crabs;
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To prohibit or restrict devices used to catch crabs;
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To establish seasons to catch crabs
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To
establish that the workday for tidal fish licensees who catch crabs
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using trotline gear may begin earlier than 1 hour before sunrise; and
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To  establish  minimum  size  limits  for  hard,  soft,  and  peeler  crabs.
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However, this section does not
permit the Department to change existing license fees for
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catching, picking, canning, packing, or shipping cooked hard or soft crabs or crab meat; or
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for selling, or shipping live hard or soft crabs by barrel or crate. The Department may set
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license fees o
n types of gear or equipment if not otherwise set by law.
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The Department may not adopt regulations to:
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Restrict a tidal fish licensee who catches crabs using trotline gear
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to a workday of less than 8 hours per day, excluding time spent se
tting or taking up gear;
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or
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Establish time restrictions on a tidal fish licensee using trotline
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gear for setting and taking up gear.

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If the Department authorizes the workday to begin earlier than 1 hour
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Department may not adopt regulations to restrict a tidal fish licensee who catches crabs
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using trotline gear to a workday of less than 11 hours per day, including time spent setting
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or taking up gear; and
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Trotline  gear  may  not  be  set  earlier  than  the  catch  time
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« Reply #55 on: May 12, 2017, 05:29:58 PM »

Talked to Sarah after the meeting and this is what i got.
According to her this has always been the law you cant set gear till 1hr before sunrise but was not written that way in the code of maryland regulations that way. So everyone that has set gear before that 1hr was illegal.
And going foward after July 1 the new SB59 will go into effect with the extra hr on holidays.
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« Reply #56 on: May 12, 2017, 06:04:01 PM »

Talked to Sarah after the meeting and this is what i got.
According to her this has always been the law you cant set gear till 1hr before sunrise but was not written that way in the code of maryland regulations that way. So everyone that has set gear before that 1hr was illegal.
And going foward after July 1 the new SB59 will go into effect with the extra hr on holidays.


that is simply false.
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« Reply #57 on: May 12, 2017, 08:14:51 PM »

That is false.  A commercially licensed crabber has always been able to set gear at any time before legal start time.  And furthermore, you can RUN gear before legal time, but you cannot REMOVE crabs from said gear until 1 hr before sunrise.  So technically you can run a trotline at 3:00 am, and knock the crabs off the line, or simply let them knock themselves off the line, to save your bait, so long as you are not putting the crabs in your boat.  I know people that have done this without issue.  Sarah doesn't know what she's talking about.
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« Reply #58 on: May 12, 2017, 08:41:21 PM »

Talked to Sarah after the meeting and this is what i got.
According to her this has always been the law you cant set gear till 1hr before sunrise but was not written that way in the code of maryland regulations that way. So everyone that has set gear before that 1hr was illegal.
And going foward after July 1 the new SB59 will go into effect with the extra hr on holidays.



 Could be true about not written correctly, DNR has history on rules that some misunderstand or misinterpret. Guy down the street was crabbing before sunrise for years..  Had to set his line to get that area before someone else did. Told me he had a light set up on his boat.

 Must be tough in a area crabbed by many boats. Good chance of crossing lines. Causing hard feelings at best.

 DNR has always said one thing and did something else. Can't see how they could cover areas to enforce the rule.  The Chesapeake Bay is too big for the DNR to handle back then. Only with new technology are they able to spot boats in the water after dusk now days.   Maybe that's on of the reasons  why this meeting was held, to let folks know about it. .  Going to be hard to enforce from my point of view. But some may get a ticket eventually if they try to enforce this rule now.

 Think someone complained to the DNR about this  because they lost their spot to crab to an earlier riser?  That normally the case when DNR changes some of the rules or regulations..
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« Reply #59 on: May 13, 2017, 06:14:18 AM »

That is false.  A commercially licensed crabber has always been able to set gear at any time before legal start time.  And furthermore, you can RUN gear before legal time, but you cannot REMOVE crabs from said gear until 1 hr before sunrise.  So technically you can run a trotline at 3:00 am, and knock the crabs off the line, or simply let them knock themselves off the line, to save your bait, so long as you are not putting the crabs in your boat.  I know people that have done this without issue.  Sarah doesn't know what she's talking about.

This is correct^^^ I set my gear early to preserve a lay.
 
DNR has been pressured to change the reg...... Dnr is not above this sort of thing.

Somewhere last fall or late summer I read a thread about this very subject. I think it was in the Sportfish Committee of the DNR.

Now the problem is trying to convince The Tidal Fish Committee Of the DNR to object to the change.


It appears that some on that committee are on board with anything DNR wants to do to save their agenda.
This type of DNR subterfuge is why recent firings occurred.  

Where is anything gained if it take 45 minutes to set your gear and your start and gear set is one hour earlier? BFD

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