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« on: January 09, 2019, 09:46:57 PM »

I learned today that 17 of NJ's 332 commercial crabbing licenses were not renewed for 2019, meaning the current slots 1-17 on the 2015 lottery list will be offered licenses via mail in the next couple of weeks.    The 17 licenses is the highest number of licenses to become available at a single time perhaps ever.

In 2015 I drew #41 in the 3000+ person lottery.   At that time, that number was given a 'puncher's chance' to see a license within my lifetime according to one NJ F&W official.    They gave out 10 licenses initially after the lottery, dropping me to #31.   Through attrition my number crept to #24 in 2016, #15 in 2017 and then finally to #2 in 2018.    So, I'll be one of the individuals being offered a license within the next few weeks.

NJ commercial crab licenses are hard to come by because you cannot sell or transfer them.   They can only be passed onto immediate family or not-renewed.   If you apply now, you get put at the bottom of the list.  After being on the 1993 list for so many years with no joy, then getting a favorable # in the 2015 lottery, I couldn't be happier.   

2019 is going to be a new adventure for me....



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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2019, 11:47:24 PM »

Bad news for the Cong crabs  angel2
Good news for the Harbor Master  thumbsup
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2019, 01:55:34 AM »

Congratulations. Enjoy your new venture, wherever that leads you.
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2019, 09:46:55 AM »

Congrats good Sir!
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2019, 11:28:04 AM »

Congratulations Ron!   You hit the lottery,     That's A LOT of gear to buy.



I learned today that 17 of NJ's 332 commercial crabbing licenses were not renewed for 2019, meaning the current slots 1-17 on the 2015 lottery list will be offered licenses via mail in the next couple of weeks.    The 17 licenses is the highest number of licenses to become available at a single time perhaps ever.

In 2015 I drew #41 in the 3000+ person lottery.   At that time, that number was given a 'puncher's chance' to see a license within my lifetime according to one NJ F&W official.    They gave out 10 licenses initially after the lottery, dropping me to #31.   Through attrition my number crept to #24 in 2016, #15 in 2017 and then finally to #2 in 2018.    So, I'll be one of the individuals being offered a license within the next few weeks.

NJ commercial crab licenses are hard to come by because you cannot sell or transfer them.   They can only be passed onto immediate family or not-renewed.   If you apply now, you get put at the bottom of the list.  After being on the 1993 list for so many years with no joy, then getting a favorable # in the 2015 lottery, I couldn't be happier.   

2019 is going to be a new adventure for me....




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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2019, 07:39:28 PM »

How does that lottery work?  How many years are those 3,000 people working their way up the list?  How often do they start a new list?
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2019, 11:53:19 PM »

1993 lottery list wasnít reshuffled until 2015.   Who knows when they will hold another lottery.
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2019, 12:06:47 AM »

Great News Ron,   Happie Crabbing
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2019, 04:16:36 PM »

 Well deserved Ron, there is nothing like doing something you love and making money at the same time.
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2019, 10:55:24 AM »

Congratulations Ron.  Should be a very cool adventure.
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2019, 06:02:53 PM »

Wow, great news, can't wait to help you out with that.  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2019, 11:34:49 AM »

I t also signals that 17 more guys are out of the business forever after years of doing it.  That's welcome news for the wannabes.  But also make you wonder why 5% of the commercial crabbers quit in a single year?

I learned today that 17 of NJ's 332 commercial crabbing licenses were not renewed for 2019, meaning the current slots 1-17 on the 2015 lottery list will be offered licenses via mail in the next couple of weeks.    The 17 licenses is the highest number of licenses to become available at a single time perhaps ever.

In 2015 I drew #41 in the 3000+ person lottery.   At that time, that number was given a 'puncher's chance' to see a license within my lifetime according to one NJ F&W official.    They gave out 10 licenses initially after the lottery, dropping me to #31.   Through attrition my number crept to #24 in 2016, #15 in 2017 and then finally to #2 in 2018.    So, I'll be one of the individuals being offered a license within the next few weeks.

NJ commercial crab licenses are hard to come by because you cannot sell or transfer them.   They can only be passed onto immediate family or not-renewed.   If you apply now, you get put at the bottom of the list.  After being on the 1993 list for so many years with no joy, then getting a favorable # in the 2015 lottery, I couldn't be happier.   

2019 is going to be a new adventure for me....




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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2019, 05:01:53 PM »

I t also signals that 17 more guys are out of the business forever after years of doing it.  That's welcome news for the wannabes.  But also make you wonder why 5% of the commercial crabbers quit in a single year?


Probably retired, and their kids wanted no part of the family business.
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2019, 07:50:25 PM »

Probably retired, and their kids wanted no part of the family business.

I don't know if 17 is really 5% but if it is, that's 1/20.   So, if the numbers are right, the average NJ commercial crabber stays in the business for 20 years.  Lower turn over than most businesses.
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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2019, 11:38:26 AM »

I guess its about or a little better than average.  Problem is these things were designed to inherit and assume that's still happening.  But these 17 guys are just walking away.

Ron, how many of these things get returned a year?    It sounds like based on your wait this is a GIGANTIC change? In 2015, four years ago, you were #41.  So in 2015, 2016,2017,2018 no more than 40 were turned in to get it in 2019?



I don't know if 17 is really 5% but if it is, that's 1/20.   So, if the numbers are right, the average NJ commercial crabber stays in the business for 20 years.  Lower turn over than most businesses.
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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2019, 06:51:34 PM »

It's a variety of things.

There were 10 licenses immediately available as part of the initial lottery reshuffle. 

All of the original license holders prior to the reshuffle had held licenses for 22 years or longer, so many of these guys are aging out and may not have heirs to take over their licenses.    Remember, you can only pass your licenses off to direct relatives in NJ, and if you have none that want to fish it, then that license becomes available. You may not otherwise sell or transfer your license in NJ.   This kind of freeze in new licenses is now causing a rapid attrition as people die or age out.

People on the reshuffled list joined the lottery list sometime between 1993 through 2015.   Some of the people on the list ahead of me could have been people who applied in the 90's.   They could be dead, moved, no longer interested ,etc. at this point.   That helps the list move quickly.
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2019, 11:51:00 AM »

Just got an update from N.J. Fish & Wildlife.    They are only issuing five licenses this year.
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2019, 05:35:26 PM »

Just got an update from N.J. Fish & Wildlife.    They are only issuing five licenses this year.
Well, #2 is still less than #5. So what's the problem?
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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2019, 09:49:44 AM »

Just updating the information I was originally given and subsequently provided here, especially since the 17 number spurred additional discussion.

Letters to the five went out on Friday from the divisionís Nacote Creek office.
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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2019, 10:45:30 AM »

It sounds like 12 people suddenly had a politician in their pocket. But after all, it is New Jersey, and look who runs it. At least you still got yours.
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