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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2020, 09:39:26 AM »

" D "

 You are wasting your time with someone who only wants to " FILL HIS BASKETS "  no matter what ! Just read his posts this is all that he wants " FULL BASKETS "  ! Male crabs or Female Crabs it makes no difference to him " JUST FILL THEM BASKETS " . You should be thankful that all recs are not like he is a few dozen crabs is alright with me as long as I have some crabs to eat, I do not need two bushels of crabs every time that I go crabbing like some recs do. Save some for another day !     " HOW MANY IS ENOUGH ? "

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You must not read my posts as you say you do, otherwise you would know that we actually stop when we get to a certain number of crabs, not certain "bushel amounts". Usually when we get to 100-105 crabs we call it a day, regardless of how much room is still in the baskets. We only get out once a week, and some weeks, not at all. That amount seems to be just enough to get us to the next trip. If we have other people join us on the boat who will be taking crabs, or have a party coming up, then yes, that week we will try to fill our baskets if we can. I'm not the guy on here keeping a running tally of my bushel counts each week, trying to break personal records from previous years, but rather I keep what I know we are going to eat that week.
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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2020, 10:34:52 AM »

REALLY?Huh

Would you want every jackpot selling himself as a sheet rock specialist?

There has to be regulation or the breed would have been decimated many years ago.  In fact, in my opinion, the fees for a rec lic needs to be increased.  My license went up 800% a few years back while my costs increased also but the price of the product has either stayed the same or decreased in some years.  Meanwhile a rec can crab 6 days a week catching a bushel a day for $5/$10 a year and for the meniscal fee it has been proven that some recs do sell their catch

If you don't believe me about being decimated, do a little research on the "Oyster Wars of the Chesapeake Bay"

After further review:

You are correct. But just for the record, every jackpot DOES think he can do his own drywall, then ends up calling me in to fix it. LOL.
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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2020, 12:52:34 PM »

It's ok Bob

Sometimes you have to put your opinion out there and it may hit home to someone.  Smiley

I never had a clue about the Oyster Wars until about 10 or so years ago.  I found it very interesting with the turn of events and how the northern states wiped out the oyster stock and then came to the Chesapeake Bay and started pillaging our bay.  Do a research on Oyster war of the Chesapeake or the oyster pirates of the Chesapeake.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/oyster-pirates-of-chesapeake-bay


THANK YOU VERY MUCH " D "

  That was a very good read, I had no idea that there were oyster wars however I did know of the Skip Jacks that were used by Maryland Water men to harvest oysters while under sail and the long handled tongs that were also used. I want you to know that I have the utmost respect for the water men that make their living from the bay. Some people just don't understand the hard work that is involved in working the water for their living. Long hours and little pay in all kinds of weather all year long. Just the upkeep on their vessels and the expensive equipment alone must be mind boggling. I am glad to have known some of you hard working water men, youn's deserve better in my opinion a whole lot better !

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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2020, 07:55:01 PM »

Some of you guys singing the "I throw the females back" song missed the point of the article.  The females are there, but they're sperm-deleted.  They're having trouble making more crabs.  And why do you think that is?  Because every swinging dick with a chicken neck and a boat is targeting males... it's not that hard to see the choice of mates for the females is less.  That's why you hear crabbers talking about the puny 5" males doubled up with females.   This is also why you cannot successfully manage a species of anything by only managing one sex of it.

If you shoot all the bucks, what happens to all the does?


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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2020, 07:55:35 AM »

Every doubler I got in 2019 had a monster Jimmy.  Should I throw back the buck and keep the sook?  I'm uncertain.  I didn't experience what was reported by others with 5" jimmy bucks.  But what I did experience was an incredible number of juvenile males which were consistent with the 2019 dredge.  So, I have a hunch that the increases in male counts will be realized this coming harvest - 2020.  I'm gearing  up and hoping you all have a great season. 

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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2020, 03:43:38 PM »

Lol it would never happen as far as male bushel limits for Comm. Thatís funny right there and merely your ďopinionĒ
I think they said that about striped bass too." Never happen" All you can catch forever. If someone would have told me there would be a limit of 1 striped bass pp years ago, I would have laughed. Commercials are restricted by lbs. of striped bass they can catch with a limited season.
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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2020, 09:53:14 PM »

Itís simple they should let the recs keep 1-2 dozen sooks per day.  The wye canít handle  the recs taking all the males out of the river. 
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« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2020, 07:01:49 AM »

The wye has had too much pressure for well over 20 years and will always have too much pressure making it now an OK place to crab SOMETIMES during the season.
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« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2020, 01:30:21 PM »

All licensing and regulations are [bull dung], when crabs are in the water naturally, and not owned by any state or entity. Jesus and Peter didn't need a license to fish in 30 A.D., why the [Sam Hill] should I?
Late to the conversation but, in N.J. I will keep and eat large females. I personally don't think I could
taste the difference between a jimmy or sook. As a kid we were taught to throw back the females but forum members have pointed out this faulted logic. I am not a marine biologist but I did stay in a motel in Easton last
Sept. Jesus did not keep any females and did not need a boat but those Romans surely taxed anything in commerce. Whether you agree with them, regulations are needed in every aspect of our lives to protect peoples
lives and resources. Just say for instance they wanted to open a toxic waste site on your block, would you have
the same opinion about regulations?
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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2020, 06:33:00 PM »

Different circumstance. Someone owns that land you speak of, however, no one owns the water, or its contents. Only the land UNDER the water is owned. So, no. Governmental regulation in areas that are owned by no one is total B.S. The word Regulation, alone, means "costs more money". Nothing more.
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« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2020, 06:37:16 PM »

Late to the conversation but, in N.J. I will keep and eat large females. I personally don't think I could
taste the difference between a jimmy or sook. As a kid we were taught to throw back the females but forum members have pointed out this faulted logic. I am not a marine biologist but I did stay in a motel in Easton last
Sept. Jesus did not keep any females and did not need a boat but those Romans surely taxed anything in commerce. Whether you agree with them, regulations are needed in every aspect of our lives to protect peoples
lives and resources. Just say for instance they wanted to open a toxic waste site on your block, would you have
the same opinion about regulations?

I would say the reason most people don't like the regulations that DNR makes because of the reasoning behind the regulation. 
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« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2020, 06:43:45 PM »

I would say the reason most people don't like the regulations that DNR makes because of the reasoning behind the regulation.  

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« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2020, 07:34:32 PM »



  Excuse me if youn's will.

  I did comment on this subject awhile back and I did correct myself also BUT , the whole gist of this is exactly like RICK suggests it all comes down to the almighty $$$$. IMHO the whole thing in a nutshell is one word " EQUALITY " ! My gripe is " IF IT IS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE THEN IT IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER " . I am in no way trying to put any pressure on the waterman that work really hard at times to put bread on their tables, however I personally would like to see the scales balanced a little more closer to being level. If the waterman can have the female crabs then the rec's should also have " SOME OF THEM TOO". I personally would rather have a basket of nice big fat Jimmy crabs than a basket of female crabs. But that is just my own personal desire.  I have always said " YOU CAN DO ANYTHING IN THE GREAT COUNTRY ONLY IF YOU PAY THE PRICE OF THE PERMIT OR LICENSE " That my friend is what it come's down to. Things have not changed very much since the day's of the Caveman, The man with the biggest club gets the biggest piece of meat !

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« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2020, 11:08:12 PM »

Different circumstance. Someone owns that land you speak of, however, no one owns the water, or its contents. Only the land UNDER the water is owned. So, no. Governmental regulation in areas that are owned by no one is total B.S. The word Regulation, alone, means "costs more money". Nothing more.
I can agree with most of your point but one would hope that those monies did actually go to protect the
resource for other generations. That never seems to be the case. As far as nobody owns the water but the state or
states have the duty to control or manage the resource so it is sustainable for recs and hardworking baymen. I
don't think in NJ there is as much difference rules for rec/comm. as far as landing jimmies or sookks. I do believe you have to balance the harvest each season by what scientific research (hopefully where the fees are supposed
finance) comes into reality. And Rick or anyone else think they can in a blindfold test a ten crab mix of jimmies vrs.
sooks ? I don't think I can but maybe other people can. But Regs are there for the benefit to both recs/comm for the
biomass. Maybe turn it into a competition into who knows jimmies vrs. sooks by taste of course cooked/steamed
the same way do you think you can tell, maybe a best out of ten for gentlemen bets. Don't know why Jesus wanted
nothing to do with females but Peter had his own twatline and he fed many more hungry people than Jesus walking on the Wye, go figure. Now state to state, I think my Jerrzy blues will handsdown  win in a blind test
against any chessey cooked the same way. South Jersey is the 51st state and our water source is the rivers
and streams that create our estuaries with just the right amount of salinity. Once you have had a Mullica river/Greatbay crab there is no going back. An inch smaller on avg. from Md. crabs but cleanest water on East
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« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2020, 11:35:10 PM »

. Once you have had a Mullica river/Greatbay crab there is no going back. An inch smaller on avg. from Md. crabs but cleanest water on East
coast

And 3" on average less than a Wye River crab.   Smiley Smiley
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« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2020, 12:34:41 AM »

And 3" on average less than a Wye River crab.   Smiley Smiley
If you can catch a Wye crab to begin with, the Wye is overcrabbed and needs conservation rules or the wye
will be a story you tell the grandkids. I only go twice a year but I care cause I'm one of those darn treehuggers and
someday would like to take next generation to the Wye someday.
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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2020, 12:49:08 PM »

If LCC's drop because full timers need a bigger license, that means weekend warrior recs will be able to pick up a license cheap.  I thought they were trying to eliminate part timers, not make more of them?
I think that the price of LCC's will go up this year because it is a solo crabbers game that's inexpensive to get into . People that have lost their jobs and are leary of hiring people wih a bigger license + Crab house eat ins could be closed this summer. These licenses should be a winner this year. For the seller and the buyer.
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« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2020, 04:21:27 PM »

Go to the Maryland waterman's gazzette. Usually there are several for sale at any time of year. This is the first time I have not seen even 1 for sale. No one is selling . I wouldn't exactly call that a buyers market
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« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2020, 04:38:26 PM »

March or April, the DNR will be releasing any that were not renewed.  In the past, there were more then just a few that became available.  This year should prove to be an interesting year.
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« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2020, 06:02:20 PM »

Go to the Maryland waterman's gazzette. Usually there are several for sale at any time of year. This is the first time I have not seen even 1 for sale. No one is selling . I wouldn't exactly call that a buyers market
That's because only someone living under a rock would pay to put an ad in there.  No one uses the Watermen's Gazette anymore since Facebook and Craigslist are free.  

  
You do realize I made that comment about LCC's being cheap based on male bushel limits?  And it was back in January before the world went to [Sam Hill].
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